Brokeback Mountain (Ang Lee, 2005)

[David Ehrenstein]

The best version EVER, and Chet's voice defies being categorized as male or female. I love him.

It's great, but I love Nico's version best.

(Matt Damon's imitation Chet in The Talented Mr. Ripley ain't bad either. )

[jesus the mexican boi]

The best version EVER, and Chet's voice defies being categorized as male or female. I love him.

It's great, but I love Nico's version best.

Nico's wunderbahr. Maybe this turn will draw our esteemed founder from behind the wild-eyed Mommie Dearest avatar to join us again.

[viciousliar]

(Matt Damon's imitation Chet in The Talented Mr. Ripley ain't bad either.)

Funny, I just re-watched this movie yesterday, and it contains one of the most disturbing endings ever, IMHO - what great performance/editing and direction! But who's Nico, please? (Revealing my ignorance for the benefit of quite possibly securing yet another great "Valentine.")

[Michael]

You don't know who Nico is?! Oh my goodness. Go out and find her CDs right now. I listen to her all the time. If you've already seen The Royal Tenenbaums, remember that scene (actually my favorite scene of the entire movie) when Margot steps off the bus to meet Richie.. that song playing in the background is from Nico. Nico also has a small part in La Dolce Vita.

[David Ehrenstein]

Be sure to see this, which has all your basic Nico Info. Then look at the Bassano di Sutri sequence of La Dolce Vita, then The Chelsea Girls, and last but not least La Cicatrice Interieure. This is an article about the use of that Nico cut in The Royal Tenenbaums

[rs98762001]

remember that scene (actually my favorite scene of the entire movie) when Margot steps off the bus to meet Richie.. that song playing in the background is from Nico.

Just thinking about that scene always gives me goosebumps. Just beautiful. That article linked above is also interesting - I had never noticed the physical resemblance between Nico and Margot.

[David Ehrenstein]

This Just in from Bill Hoffman (As Is, The Ghosts of Versailles, etc. :

Subject: Grocery lists for Ennis & Jack, summer 1962 on Brokeback Mountain

WEEK ONE
Beans, Bacon, Coffee, Whiskey

WEEK TWO
Beans, Ham, Coffee, Whiskey

WEEK THREE
Beans, Bacon, Coffee, Whiskey, K-Y

WEEK FOUR
Beans, Pancetta, Coffee (espresso grind), Whiskey, 2 tubes K-Y

WEEK FIVE
Fresh Fava beans, Jasmine rice, Prosciutto, approx. 8 ounces, thinly sliced, Medallions of veal, Porcini mushrooms, 1/2 pint of heavy whipping cream, 1 Cub Scout uniform, size 42 long 5-6 bottles good Chardonnay, 1 large bottle Astro-glide

WEEK SIX
Yukon Gold potatoes, Heavy whipping cream, Asparagus (very thin), Eggs, Lemons, Gruyere cheese (well aged), Walnuts, Arugula, Unsalted Butter, Olive oil, Balsamic vinegar, 6 yards white silk organdy, 6 yards pale ivory taffeta, Case of Chardonnay, Large tin Crisco

[Grimfarrow]

Geez, can we talk about films for once? The Berlin Film Festival thread has zero replies (except from me), despite it being THE most important festival for gays (it's about the Teddy!).

Here's a list of gay films at this year's Berlin Film Fest main sections.

"Big Bang Love, Juvenile A" ("46 oku nen no koi"), directed by Takashi Miike (Japan)
"Eleven Men Out" ("Strakarnir okkar"), directed by Robert I. Douglas (Iceland, Finland, United Kingdom)
"Fabulous! The Story of Queer Cinema," directed by Lisa Ades, Lesli Klainberg (United States)
"18.15 from Ostkreuz" ("18.15 Uhr ab Ostkreuz"), directed by Jorn Hartmann (Germany)
"Acts of Men" ("Atos dos Homens"), directed by Kiko Goifman (Brazil, Germany)
"Beyond Hatred" ("Au-dela de la haine"), directed by Olivier Meyrou (France)
"Brothers of the Head," directed by Keith Fulton, Louis Pepe (United Kingdom)
"Octopusalarm" ("Tintenfischalarm"), directed by Elisabeth Scharang (Austria)
"Vacationland," directed by Todd Verow (United States)
"The Yacoubian Building" ("Omaret Yacoubian"), directed by Marawan Hamed (Egypt)
"Love Sick" ("Legaturi bolnavicioase"), directed by Tudor Giurgiu (Romania)
"The Railroad All-Stars" ("Estrellas de la linea"), directed by Chema Rodriguez (Spain)
"A Soap" ("En Soap"), directed by Pernille Fischer Christensen (Denmark, Sweden)
"Broken Sky" ("El cielo dividido"), directed by Julian Hernandez (Mexico)
"Paper Dolls" ("Bubot Niyar"), directed by Tomer Heymann (Israel, Switzerland)
"Container," directed by Lukas Moodysson (Sweden)

[quequeg]

Just saw Brokeback Mountain for the second time. The second viewing leaves me even more sad than did the first.
It makes me sad, not for the loss that Ennis suffers, but for the lost opportunities. Jack gave him several chances to make a change in his life, but he resisted every one. Resisted due to fear. Not just the fear of defying society and of becoming an outcast, or the fear of realising who he really is, but the fear of his own happiness.
Some of us actively sabotage our lives due to a felling of low self-worth. We doom ourselves to an old age filled with looking back at all the missed opportunities, the roads not taken. I identify with Enos not because I am gay, (which I am), but because of the regret over the missed opportunities that will never come around again.

[jesus the mexican boi]

Just saw Brokeback Mountain for the second time. The second viewing leaves me even more sad than did the first.
It makes me sad, not for the loss that Enos suffers, but for the lost opportunities. Jack gave him several chances to make a change in his life, but he resisted every one. Resisted due to fear. Not just the fear of defying society and of becoming an outcast, or the fear of realising who he really is, but the fear of his own happiness.
Some of us actively sabotage our lives due to a felling of low self-worth. We doom ourselves to an old age filled with looking back at all the missed opportunities, the roads not taken. I identify with Enos not because I am gay, (which I am), but because of the regret over the missed opportunities that will never come around again.

I think you mean "Ennis."

This is Enos.

[David Ehrenstein]

Dan Savage says...

[Jean-Luc Garbo]

I've been trying to catch that Nico documentary forever. I wish that it was still available. In any case, if viciousliar is intrigued, one could always try The Marble Index for some Nico.

[David Ehrenstein]

It's out of print? I'm surprised. Being a major Nicoholic I have tons of stuff, including a really bad dupe of Le Berceau du Cristal

[jesus the mexican boi]

I had no idea. It's going for about $100 on Amazon. Not that I'd part with it. I'll keep it with mine.

[kieslowski_67]

This is crazy.

[toiletduck!]

Check the seller's other auctions...

$25,000 (and counting) for Jake Gyllenhaal's shirt, but Vin Diesel's motocross pants can't even pull a hundred? There's no justice in this world.

-Toilet Dcuk

[godardslave]

can i buy Jake Gyllenhaal's jockstrap?

[David Ehrenstein]

"Cowboys Are Frequently Secretly Fond of Each Other
There's many a strange impulse out on the plains of West Texas;
There's many a young boy who feels things he don't comprehend.
Well small town don't like it when somebody falls between sexes,
No, small town don't like it when a cowboy has feelings for men.
Well I believe in my soul that inside every man there's a feminine,
And inside every lady there's a deep manly voice loud and clear.
Well, a cowboy may brag about things that he does with his women,
But the ones who brag loudest are the ones that are most likely queer.
Cowboys are frequently secretly fond of each other
What did you think those saddles and boots was about?
There's many a cowboy who don't understand the way that he feels towards his brother,
Inside every cowboy there's a lady who'd love to slip out.
Ten men for each woman was the rule way back when on the prairie,
And somehow those cowboys must have kept themselves warm late at night.
Cowboys are famous for getting riled up about fairies,
But I'll tell you the reason a big strong man gets so uptight:
Cowboys are frequently secretly fond of each other
That's why they wear leather, and Levi's and belts buckled tight.
There's many a cowboy who don't understand the way that he feels towards his brother;
There's many a cowboy who's more like a lady at night.
Well there's always somebody who says what the others just whisper,
And mostly that someone's the first one to get shot down dead:
When you talk to a cowboy don't treat him like he was a sister
Don't mess with the lady that's sleepin' in each cowboy's head.
Cowboys are frequently secretly fond of each other
Even though they take speed and drive pickups and shoot their big guns;
There's many a cowboy who don't understand the way that he feels towards his brother;
There's many a cowboy who keeps quiet about things he's done."

[jesus the mexican boi]

"Cowboys Are Frequently Secretly Fond of Each Other

When you talk to a cowboy don't treat him like he was a sister
Don't mess with the lady that's sleepin' in each cowboy's head.

Except in the iTunes exclusive version, Willie forcefully sings:

"Don't FUCK with the lady that's sleepin' in each cowboy's head"

Go Willie!

[mikeohhh]

I actually clicked on this thread to post the Willie Nelson song, but I guess I was beaten to the punch. The song was written by Ned Sublette, who was a friend and collaborator of the late, great Arthur Russell.

[Michael]

This is crazy.

Wow. Now going over $33,000. Are the shirts that iconic - the "ruby slippers" of today?

[jesus the mexican boi]

And singin' about cowboy lovin' ain't nothing new to the Willie. He dueted with Webb Pierce on "Back Street Affair" in 1982 on their "joint" IN THE JAILHOUSE NOW LP (still available but hard-to-find as a 2-fer on CD). Granted, the song isn't intrinsically gay, but when it's sung by two men as a duet... And notice the gender-unspecific tone of "you."

Here are the lyrics:

You didn't know I wasn't free when you fell in love with me
And with all your young heart you learned to care
It brought you shame and disgrace the world has tumbled in you place
Because they call our love a back street affair

They say you wrecked my home I'm a husband that's gone wrong
They don't know the sorrow that we've had to bear
For the one that I'm tied to was the first to be untrue
And yet they call our love a back street affair

[ guitar - fiddle ]

We have each other now that's all that matters anyhow
Oh the judgement of gossip's never fair
We'll just be brave and strong then someday they'll see they're wrong
So let them call our love a back street affair

We'll be free to love someday when all the talk has died away
And the happiness we've hoped for then we'll share
I'll climb a mountain high and the world will hear me cry
That our love is not a back street affair

[toiletduck!]

Those motocross pants are $70 retail! Vin's only worth an extra fifty bucks?

Apparently you have to bleed on clothing to make it worthwhile memorabilia...

-Toilet Dcuk

[Michael]

McKellen Slams Homophobic Hollywood

Sir Ian McKellen has attacked Hollywood's continuing homophobic attitude towards gay stars. The Lord Of The Rings legend, who is one of the world's most high-profile openly gay actors, insists the industry's old-fashioned ideologies make it extremely difficult for homosexual stars to come out. The 66-year-old praised Oscar-nominated cowboy love story Brokeback Mountain for its openly homosexual themes, but maintains Hollywood needs to examine its views on sexual equality and take an example from the accepting attitudes on Broadway in New York. Speaking at the Berlin Film Festival on Saturday, where he received a lifetime achievement award, McKellen says, "The film industry is very old fashioned in California. It is very, very, very difficult for an American actor who wants a film career to be open about his sexuality. And even more difficult for a woman if she's lesbian. It's very distressing to me that that should be the case. It's not true of actors on the other side of the American continent, on Broadway, where people are very at ease with being open and honest."

[kieslowski_67]

This is crazy.

Wow. Now going over $33,000. Are the shirts that iconic - the "ruby slippers" of today?[/quote]
Over $55k now. The current high bidder is obviously a lady. It won't surprise me that it reaches 6 digit at the end of the bidding.