Criterion & Eclipse Cover Art & Packaging Babble-on Vol.3

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Svevan
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#1026 Post by Svevan »

It's so.....grey....
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#1027 Post by godardslave »

Svevan wrote:It's so.....grey....
As predicted by my good self many months ago, the decision to color code the eclipse boxes will mean they will run out of attractive color combinations pretty quickly.

Expect more black and white eclipse sets in the future, or more increasingly bizarre color choices.
Unless they decide to change the uniform look of matching eclipse boxes and give each box its own individual style like regular criterion boxes.

I cant help but sadly think the flimsy, ugly looking, ridiculously designed (look a box set with no bottom to it!) inconvenient packaging slipcases and these basic, matching uniform box covers are simply a slightly snobby attempt to differentiate eclipse from criterion releases in term of market branding.
Or, if you prefer it in layman's terms "we can't let Eclipse boxes look as nice as Criterion boxes"

To my mind this is sad, because the eclipse boxes could look and be so much better constructed with no real difference in economic cost.
Its yet another example of the ubiquitous victory of marketing brand names over common sense.
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#1028 Post by GringoTex »

godardslave wrote:Or, if you prefer it in layman's terms "we can't let Eclipse boxes look as nice as Criterion boxes"
That's because unique design jobs are much more expensive and Criterion have stated this is a "no-frills" line.
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#1029 Post by godardslave »

GringoTex wrote:
godardslave wrote:Or, if you prefer it in layman's terms "we can't let Eclipse boxes look as nice as Criterion boxes"
That's because unique design jobs are much more expensive and Criterion have stated this is a "no-frills" line.
i think you missed my point.

But I will just try to point out the error in reasoning for your specific comment, theres a 1001 beautiful dvd boxes from other companies, produced for other dvd sets, often on sets that cost a lot less than a typical eclipse release.

Ill repeat myself just this once, this is a poor decision based on inane theories of brand marketing, not (supposedly) saving money.
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#1030 Post by Jeff »

godardslave wrote:I cant help but sadly think the flimsy, ugly looking, ridiculously designed (look a box set with no bottom to it!)
It's not a box. It's a sleeve. Dispose of it.
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#1031 Post by kinjitsu »

Without the sleeve the discs sort of disappear on the bookshelf.
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#1032 Post by godardslave »

Jeff wrote:
godardslave wrote:I cant help but sadly think the flimsy, ugly looking, ridiculously designed (look a box set with no bottom to it!)
It's not a box. It's a sleeve. Dispose of it.
wonderful logic!
Do you think criterion designed it to be thrown away then?
Or simply something is awful so the solution is to throw it away?

In addition then i have 5 thinpaks perched on the shelf with no spine and no way to hold them together?

perfect!
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#1033 Post by blindside8zao »

I think they're fine. After having the Bava AB set on my shelf it doesn't take much to satisfy me. I rather like the BW scheme. I wonder what a Bunuel set would look like? Pink?
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#1034 Post by Jeff »

godardslave wrote:Do you think criterion designed it to be thrown away then?
yep.
godardslave wrote:In addition then i have 5 thinpaks perched on the shelf with no spine and no way to hold them together?
I just alphabetize them with the rest of my discs. I don't really see what the problem is. I wish all individual DVDs came in thinpaks. They are no thinner than a CD jewel case. I see the Eclipse sleeves as a way to bundle the titles for distribution and market them as a set -- nothing more.
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#1035 Post by kinjitsu »

Unlike some of us, you apparently have 20/20 vision.
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#1036 Post by Jeff »

kinjitsu wrote:Unlike some of us, you apparently have 20/20 vision.
Not quite -- even with my contacts, but it's never kept me from finding the title I was looking for. Although I can understand why this might be a problem for members "of a certain age." :wink:
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#1037 Post by kinjitsu »

Touché mon ami. Still, my Eclipse sets sit together on the shelf, handsomely ensleeved and easily locatable. I once considered alphabetizing the Herzog/Kinski set into the collection but it became instantly clear that it wouldn't work for these ancient, bifocaled orbs.
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#1038 Post by GringoTex »

godardslave wrote:But I will just try to point out the error in reasoning for your specific comment, theres a 1001 beautiful dvd boxes from other companies, produced for other dvd sets, often on sets that cost a lot less than a typical eclipse release.
No there aren't.
godardslave wrote:Ill repeat myself just this once, this is a poor decision based on inane theories of brand marketing, not (supposedly) saving money.
Wrong again. It's a very common and highly effective marketing concept. If you can't afford the high quality custom design job, then you apply a template. This way your brand isn't weakened by hastily made decisions or cheap one-offs.
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#1039 Post by Svevan »

The motivation doesn't matter; the point is that it's inconvenient for those of us who don't throw crap like this away.
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#1040 Post by colinr0380 »

Svevan wrote:It's so.....grey....
I'd say it had a distinguished silver tint!
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#1041 Post by What A Disgrace »

I very much doubt that Eclipse will run out of colours soon. SecondRun is using the same strategy, and they haven't *quite* repeated themselves with around two dozen releases.

I bet the Lubitsch box will be a gaudy royal purple.
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#1042 Post by justeleblanc »

What A Disgrace wrote:I bet the Lubitsch box will be a gaudy royal purple.
And the Godard box... should they ever release one... would most definitely be red, white, and blue.... just not necessarily in that order.
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#1043 Post by Matt »

You people complaining about Eclipse running out of colors remind me of the people I used to work with who stopped our website's "word of the week" feature because they "ran out of words." Did you only get the 16-pack when you were little?
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#1044 Post by colinr0380 »

Matt wrote:You people complaining about Eclipse running out of colors remind me of the people I used to work with who stopped our website's "word of the week" feature because they "ran out of words."
Brilliant! =D> I hate to ask, but how many weeks did your "word of the week" feature run?
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#1045 Post by Matt »

colinr0380 wrote:I hate to ask, but how many weeks did your "word of the week" feature run?
It ran for 7 months. Isn't that pathetic?
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#1046 Post by s.j. bagley »

personally, i like the grey and i find it quite suitable, at least for the three films in the set that i've seen ('scandal,' 'the idiot,' and 'i live in fear.')
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#1047 Post by colinr0380 »

Matt wrote:It ran for 7 months. Isn't that pathetic?
Indubitably!
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#1048 Post by TheGodfather »

Except for the Naked Prey cover, I like all of the new covers.
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#1049 Post by arsonfilms »

colinr0380 wrote:
Matt wrote:It ran for 7 months. Isn't that pathetic?
Indubitably!
Actually, that sounds about right. I only really know 27 words, so 3 or so would have been new for me...
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#1050 Post by godardslave »

GringoTex wrote:
godardslave wrote:But I will just try to point out the error in reasoning for your specific comment, theres a 1001 beautiful dvd boxes from other companies, produced for other dvd sets, often on sets that cost a lot less than a typical eclipse release.
No there aren't..
Your wrong again!

10 quick examples off the top of my head:

The searchers SE
Rio Bravo SE
WC fields Comedy Collection 1 & 2
Frank Capra Collection
Gone with the wind
Wizard of Oz
King Kong collection
Godfather Collection
Narnia 4 disc Extended Edition
James Dean Collection
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