Arrow Films

[domino harvey]

People here aren't complaining, at least.

[rapta]

I'd like to think these are just knee-jerk reactions from a vocal minority of proud horror 'fanatics' who for some reason only seem to respect Arrow's judgement when they announce B-movie slashers. Add to that a delay or two and they mutate into a rabid mob.

You just can't please everyone though. I seem to remember members on here and other forums listing off the amount of English-language titles Masters of Cinema have released over the last year, as if it's a bad thing that they're in the native tongue. Or even complaining about a lack of silent films, as if dialogue is a drag? Admittedly, Arrow are covering a somewhat wider spectrum, but it just goes to show you can hear complaints from followers of any label it seems, no matter how much good work they are doing.

It's probably just down to certain customers who have unrealistic expectations, and when it doesn't go their way they feel like they should impose their frustration on everyone else as if they had some point to make. More often than not it's just a half-thought-through, reactionary jab like "not enough giallo", "where's Dead Hooker Express III?" or even "too much artsy shit". I wouldn't take much of it to heart if I were you! As you've said, there have been more horror titles than ever from Arrow in the last couple of years.

I personally don't mind if there's a month where there's not much I'm interested in because it gives me a break between all the essential stuff Arrow are churning out most months! So in a way, I actually envy those who are rolling their eyes at the most notorious works of Fassbinder and/or Linklater.

Oh but wait, there are more announcements tomorrow. Get ready for a few over-the-top statements from some so-called cinephiles! Luckily it's mostly reserved for Facebook, and doesn't often spill onto these forums.

[tenia]

Honestly, I'm happy these movies are getting a quality BD release, no matter the label.

I seem to remember members on here and other forums listing off the amount of English-language titles Masters of Cinema have released over the last year, as if it's a bad thing. Or complaining about a lack of silent films, as if dialogue is a drag?

That was me, and the point wasn't being unhappy with what MoC was releasing, but feeling it was less audacious than what they could do. Or let's say : there are some movies released by MoC that could have been picked up by labels usually less adventurous, while the audacious silent titles don't seem to have a chance getting a quality English-friendly BD release outside of MoC, hence my slight disappointment (emphasis on slight). This being said, I've been explained the reasons behind this and am happy with what I've been told.

On the other end, I'm very happy with their FOX output for instance, which sometimes feels like nobody would have released them in the UK if not MoC.

[MichaelB]

It's probably just down to certain customers who have unrealistic expectations, and when it doesn't go their way they feel like they should impose their frustration on everyone else as if they had some point to make. More often than not it's just a half-thought-through, reactionary jab like "not enough giallo", "where's Dead Hooker Express III?" or even "too much artsy shit". I wouldn't take much of it to heart if I were you!

Oh, I don't in the slightest! I'm more amused by it than anything.

[rapta]

Honestly, I'm happy these movies are getting a quality BD release, no matter the label.

I seem to remember members on here and other forums listing off the amount of English-language titles Masters of Cinema have released over the last year, as if it's a bad thing. Or complaining about a lack of silent films, as if dialogue is a drag?

That was me, and the point wasn't being unhappy with what MoC was releasing, but feeling it was less audacious than what they could do. Or let's say : there are some movies released by MoC that could have been picked up by labels usually less adventurous, while the audacious silent titles don't seem to have a chance getting a quality English-friendly BD release outside of MoC, hence my slight disappointment (emphasis on slight). This being said, I've been explained the reasons behind this and am happy with what I've been told.

On the other end, I'm very happy with their FOX output for instance, which sometimes feels like nobody would have released them in the UK if not MoC.

Sorry tenia, I didn't mean to call you out personally, but now I re-read what I said it seems like I was referring to you specifically! Please know I didn't mean just you - okay, that makes me sound worse! But anyway, as you can probably tell I was making a vague comparison (and it was in jest). I'm not implying I don't like foreign language and/or silent films myself either - many of my favourite MoC titles are both of those.

And I agree about MoC putting out studio titles other labels have overlooked - I was pleased to hear them confirm today about Fixed Bayonets!, and Paper Moon is one of my favourite releases this year (although that was Paramount rather than Fox).

It's probably just down to certain customers who have unrealistic expectations, and when it doesn't go their way they feel like they should impose their frustration on everyone else as if they had some point to make. More often than not it's just a half-thought-through, reactionary jab like "not enough giallo", "where's Dead Hooker Express III?" or even "too much artsy shit". I wouldn't take much of it to heart if I were you!

Oh, I don't in the slightest! I'm more amused by it than anything.

I'm sometimes amused, other times frustrated. Many of these people won't even give these films a chance because they've written them off already. I appreciate Arrow's broad reach, and have bought several B-movies and horror films that I probably wouldn't have even considered if it wasn't for them treating each film with a similar level of care and attention.

[tenia]

Sorry tenia, I didn't mean to call you out personally, but now I re-read what I said it seems like I was referring to you specifically! Please know I didn't mean just you - okay, that makes me sound worse! But anyway, as you can probably tell I was making a vague comparison (and it was in jest). I'm not implying I don't like foreign language and/or silent films myself either - many of my favourite MoC titles are both of those.

Don't worry, I didn't take it wrong or whatever (might have used more smileys to show that !). I just wanted to precise my thinking as a whole. As a general point, I understand some are expecting certain labels to put out specific "obscure" titles that are in their habit : I like when MoC release on BD some silent titles because nobody else does, just like it seems not a lot of labels outside Arrow would have put out Your Vice is a Locked Room. But I don't understand why one need to be unhappy with Arrow putting out things like Fassbinder or Linklater since they're releasing much more titles than in the past. It's not like they've reduced their horror output (as Michael has shown).

[TMDaines]

You just can't please everyone though. I seem to remember members on here and other forums listing off the amount of English-language titles Masters of Cinema have released over the last year, as if it's a bad thing that they're in the native tongue. Or even complaining about a lack of silent films, as if dialogue is a drag? Admittedly, Arrow are covering a somewhat wider spectrum, but it just goes to show you can hear complaints from followers of any label it seems, no matter how much good work they are doing.

That's a straw man argument and you surely know it. It's the fact that MoC's focus switched pretty dramatically to studio fare, when studios should be more than capable of releasing their own work or there's a number of other unadventurous labels that would do a serviceable job. Thankfully this switch coincided with the rise of Arrow who have more than picked up the slack.

People would have the same frustration if Edition Filmmuseum started releasing the same old Lang and Murnau silents at the expense of previously unreleased work, or if Criterion switched to heavily focus on contemporary art house cinema at the expense of classic. There's only a limited amount of publishers willing to push the envelope, so fans really don't want to lose them.

[zedz]

You just can't please everyone though. I seem to remember members on here and other forums listing off the amount of English-language titles Masters of Cinema have released over the last year, as if it's a bad thing that they're in the native tongue. Or even complaining about a lack of silent films, as if dialogue is a drag? Admittedly, Arrow are covering a somewhat wider spectrum, but it just goes to show you can hear complaints from followers of any label it seems, no matter how much good work they are doing.

That's a straw man argument and you surely know it. It's the fact that MoC's focus switched pretty dramatically to studio fare, when studios should be more than capable of releasing their own work or there's a number of other unadventurous labels that would do a serviceable job. Thankfully this switch coincided with the rise of Arrow who have more than picked up the slack.

People would have the same frustration if Edition Filmmuseum started releasing the same old Lang and Murnau silents at the expense of previously unreleased work, or if Criterion switched to heavily focus on contemporary art house cinema at the expense of classic. There's only a limited amount of publishers willing to push the envelope, so fans really don't want to lose them.

From the evidence of the original discussion, rapta can only do straw man arguments. It's not worth the typing energy.

[AK]

It's the fact that MoC's focus switched pretty dramatically to studio fare, when studios should be more than capable of releasing their own work or there's a number of other unadventurous labels that would do a serviceable job. Thankfully this switch coincided with the rise of Arrow who have more than picked up the slack.

People would have the same frustration if Edition Filmmuseum started releasing the same old Lang and Murnau silents at the expense of previously unreleased work, or if Criterion switched to heavily focus on contemporary art house cinema at the expense of classic. There's only a limited amount of publishers willing to push the envelope, so fans really don't want to lose them.

While I too feel that Arrow has taken the lead in this respect, I'm only starting to get worried about MoC if they're not using the more commercially "viable" releases to balance the books so that they can release rarer stuff that borders on the obscure end of the spectrum. That is, if they'll stop releasing adventurous titles altogether. (I assume they've become "less adventurous" to stay afloat?)

I guess my reaction has a touch of zen because these past few years I've been unable to watch that many films anyway, and often find myself lagging behind in getting the newest titles. Looking at the the 2015 slate, I can understand that a person who buys their new releases on release day might feel differently, since of those I've been really pumped up about the Oshima and King Hu, although this statement in its blatant subjectivity only reveals my dysfunctional film life more than anything else.

As for the discussion above concerning Arrow and how customers like to define the company's mission differently, I can say that I'm a happy supporter of the company largely thanks to the Academy line, since I'm not a big horror buff to begin with.

[Ribs]

NEW US ONLY TITLE ANNOUNCEMENT: RAGE OF HONOR!
Sho Kosugi's ninja domination continues!
Pre-order yours at all major retailers soon!
Rage of Honor (Arrow Video) Blu-ray
Following his star turns in ‘80s actioners Enter the Ninja and Revenge of the Ninja, Sho Kosugi continued his domination of the US martial arts movie with 1987’s Rage of Honor – helmed once again by Pray for Death director Gordon Hessler (The Golden Voyage of Sinbad).
Federal agent Shiro Tanaka (Kosugi) used to live for his job – now, he lives only for revenge. When his partner is killed during a bungled drug bust, Shiro throws away his badge and the rule book with it: arming himself with an array of deadly weaponry – including nunchucks, blades and ninja stars – he sets out to Buenos Aires to settle the score with the bad guys.
Packing explosions, flying kicks and somersaults aplenty (as well as some truly logic-bending stunt sequences), Rage of Honor sees Kosugi at the top of his game as he battles his way from the streets of the urban jungle to the very literal jungles of South America.
SPECIAL EDITION CONTENTS
- High Definition Blu-ray (1080p) presentation from a transfer of original elements by MGM
- Optional English SDH subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing
- Sho and Tell Part 2: The Domination – brand new interview with star Sho Kosugi on Rage of Honor and the later stages of his film career
- Sho Kosugi Trailer Gallery: Enter the Ninja (1981), Revenge of the Ninja (1983), Pray for Death (1985) and Rage of Honor (1987)
- Reversible sleeve featuring original and newly commissioned artwork by Matthew Griffin
The first pressing includes a collector’s booklet featuring new writing on the film and an extract from Kosugi’s upcoming book
Release date: 03/15/16 (US only)
Region: A
Duration: 98 mins
Language: English
Subtitles: English SDH
Aspect Ratio: 1.85:1
Audio: 5.1
Discs: 1
Color
Spine No: AV040
SRP: $29.95
Directed by: Gordon Hessler
Starring: Sho Kosugi, Lewis Van Bergen, Robin Evans

NEW US TITLE ANNOUNCEMENT: BLACK MAMA, WHITE MAMA BLU-RAY & DVD
Pam Grier and Margaret Markov are Defiant Ones in this WIP flick from AIP
CHICKS IN CHAINS ON THE LAM FROM A PRISON HELL!
Before her iconic turn in Coffy, Pam Grier starred alongside Margaret Markov in a grindhouse spin on Stanley Kramer’s The Defiant Ones, fusing the Women in Prison film with the emerging Blaxploitation movement for a riotous romp of bullets, babes and blood!
Lee (Grier), a tough prostitute and Karen (Markov), a revolutionary, are admitted to a tough women’s prison where almost immediately (after some playful showering that prefigures Porky’s) they clash. Packed off to a maximum security prison, their transport is ambushed by Karen’s guerrilla friends and the two escape into the Filipino jungle. Chained together and with differing escape plans their clash intensifies as Lee wants to retrieve a stash of stolen cash to get her off the island and Karen wants to re-join her revolutionary group. Escape isn’t easy as they come up against a series of obstacles including a corrupt cop, a bounty hunter, a sadistic Drug Lord and guerrillas who threaten to turn everything upside down.
Chock full of girl fights, gun battles, nudity and humour, Black Mama White Mama, which was also known as Women in Chains and Hot, Hard and Mean, lives up to all its titles as well as featuring a brilliant Sid Haig (Spider Baby, House of 1000 Corpses) as a cowboy bounty hunter and Lynn Borden (Frogs, Dirty Mary Crazy Larry) as a lesbian guard from a script co-written by Jonathan Demme (Caged Heat) and a score sampled by Quentin Tarantino for Kill Bill.
SPECIAL EDITION CONTENTS:
High Definition Blu-ray (1080p) and Standard Definition DVD presentations
Original mono audio (uncompressed PCM on the Blu-ray)
Optional English subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing
Commentary by filmmaker Andrew Leavold, director of The Search for Weng Weng
White Mama - An interview with star Margaret Markov
Sid’s Filipino Adventure - An interview with star Sid Haig
The Mad Director of Blood Island - A previously unseen archive interview with director Eddie Romero
Trailer
Reversible sleeve featuring original and newly commissioned artwork by Sean Phillips
The first pressing also includes a booklet featuring brand new writing on the film by Temple of Schlock’s Chris Poggiali and extracts from the original press book, illustrated with archive stills and posters
Release date: 03/22/16
Region: A/1
Duration: 91 mins
Language: English
Subtitles: English SDH
Aspect Ratio: 1.85:1
Audio: Mono
Discs: 2
Color
Cat No: AV041
SRP: $29.95
Directed by: Eddie Romero
Starring: Pam Grier, Margaret Markov, Sid Haig

NEW US/UK TITLE ANNOUNCEMENT: DEATH WALKS TWICE BLU-RAY & DVD
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Death Walks Twice: Two Films by Luciano Ercoli (Arrow Video) Dual Format Limited Edition Boxset
Emerging at the peak of the giallo boom of the early ‘70s, Luciano Ercoli’s Death Walks films are two superlative examples of the genre linked by their shared casting of the stunning Nieves Navarro (billed under her adopted stage name of Susan Scott) as the lead woman in peril.
In Death Walks on High Heels (1971), exotic dancer Nicole (Navarro), the daughter of a murdered jewel thief, finds herself terrorised by a black-clad assailant determined on procuring her father’s stolen gems. Fleeing Paris and her knife-wielding pursuer, Nicole arrives in London only to discover that death stalks her at every corner.
Returning in Death Walks at Midnight (1972), Navarro stars as Valentina – a model who, in the midst of a drug-fuelled photoshoot, witnesses a brutal murder in the apartment opposite hers. But when it becomes clear that the savage slaying she describes relates to a crime that took place six months earlier, the police are at a loss - forcing Valentina to solve the mystery alone.
Offering up all the glamour, perversity and narrative twists and turns that are typical of the giallo genre at its best, Luciano Ercoli’s Death Walks on High Heels and Death Walks at Midnight anticipate the super-stylized trappings of Brian De Palma’s early psycho thrillers (most notably, Dressed to Kill).
LIMITED EDITION CONTENTS
Limited Edition boxed-set (3000 copies) containing Death Walks on High Heels and Death Walks at Midnight
Brand new 2K restorations of the films from the original camera negatives
High Definition Blu-ray (1080p) and Standard Definition DVD presentations
Original Italian and English soundtracks in mono audio (uncompressed PCM on the Blu-rays)
Newly translated English subtitles for the Italian soundtracks
Optional English subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing for the English soundtracks
Limited Edition 60-page booklet containing new writing from authors Danny Shipka (Perverse Titillation: The Exploitation Cinema of Italy, Spain and France), Troy Howarth (So Deadly, So Perverse: 50 Years of Italian Giallo Films) and writer Leonard Jacobs, illustrated with original archive stills and posters
DEATH WALKS ON HIGH HEELS
Audio commentary by film critic Tim Lucas
Introduction to the film by screenwriter Ernesto Gastaldi
Newly-edited archive interview with director Luciano Ercoli and actress Nieves Navarro
Master of Giallo – brand new interview in which Gastaldi discusses Death Walks on High Heels and offers up his thoughts as to what constitutes a good giallo
An interview with composer Stelvio Cipriani
Original Italian trailer
Original English trailer
Reversible sleeve featuring original and newly commissioned artwork by Gilles Vranckx
DEATH WALKS AT MIDNIGHT
Audio commentary by film critic Tim Lucas
Introduction to the film by screenwriter Ernesto Gastaldi
Extended TV version of the feature [105 mins]
Crime Does Pay – brand new interview in which Gastaldi discusses Death Walks at Midnight and a career script-writing crime films
Desperately Seeking Susan – a visual essay by Michael Mackenzie exploring the distinctive giallo collaborations between director Luciano Ercoli and star Nieves Navarro
Reversible sleeve featuring original and newly commissioned artwork by Gilles Vranckx

Release date: 28/03/16 (UK) Release date: 03/29/16 (US)
Rating: 18 (TBC)
Duration: 208 mins
Language: English/Italian
Subtitles: English SDH/English
Aspect Ratio: 2.35:1
Audio: Mono
Colour
Discs: 4
UK RRP £44.99
UK Cat Number: FCD1216
US SRP $69.95
US Cat Number: AV044
Directed by: Luciano Ercoli
Starring: Frank Wolff, Nieves Navarro, Simón Andreu

NEW US/UK TITLE ANNOUNCEMENT: Cult Cinema: An Arrow Video Companion (Limited Edition) Hardback Book
An intriguing trip down the less well-trodden paths of filmdom
A first for us, a bona fide book! Pre-order your UK copy here: http://bit.ly/1OWf6Bd" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Arrow Video is one of the foremost distributors of cult cinema on DVD and Blu-ray. From the classic to the obscure, the Arrow Video collection encompasses all styles and genres: horror films and Westerns, science fiction and sex comedies, yakuza epics and neo-noirs, the subversive, the transgressive and the unclassifiable.
This hardback volume brings together 25 of the world’s leading genre experts and critics to guide you through the multi-faceted beast that is cult cinema. Exploring the stars, the filmmakers and the trends, Cult Cinema: An Arrow Video Companion provides an intriguing trip down the less well-trodden paths of filmdom.
Featuring the writing of: Robin Bougie, Michael Brooke, Paul Corupe, David Del Valle, David Flint, Kevin Gilvear, Joel Harley, David Hayles, Pasquale Iannone, Alan Jones, Tim Lucas, Michael Mackenzie, Maitland McDonagh, Tom Mes, John Kenneth Muir, Kim Newman, James Oliver, Vic Pratt, Jasper Sharp, Yvonne D. Sims, Kenneth J. Souza, Mike Sutton, Stephen Thrower, Caelum Vatnsdal, Doug Weir.
With an introduction by filmmaker Ben Wheatley (Kill List, High Rise, Free Fire)
Cover Illustration: Graham Humphreys (revealed soon!)
Release date: 28/03/16 (UK) Release date: 03/29/16 (US)
Author: Ben Wheatley (Introduction), Anthony Nield (Editor)
Release Date: 28/03/16
Binding: Hardback
Pages: 246 pages
Dimension: 22 x 2.8 x 28cm
ISBN-10: 0993306013
ISBN-13: 978-0993306013
UK RRP: £64.99
US SRP: $99.95

The packaging for Death Walks looks killer.

[cdnchris]

Oh my God! Rage of Honor! I'm surprised by that one as it seemed like a title Shout! would have done at some point. How wonderful!

[tenia]

I'm usually in when it comes to book like this, but it seems it will draw a good chunk of its content from the releases' booklets, so it'll be kind of double dip to me. It'd be OK at a lower price, but at £33, I'll probably pass (at least until we know more about how much of it will be new writings).

Death Walks Twice cover looks awesome. Don't know the movies, but Gastaldi's billing most likely will be enough to me.

A bit disappointed to see more US-only titles (1 last month, 2 this month) because it feel like Arrow is going away from where they're born, but being Region-A capable, it's not like it will stop me or something. Plus, the Kosugi (both this one and Pray for Death) will go nicely with the Ninja Trilogy released by Eureka.

[Drucker]

From Fran Simeoni on Twitter:

Heads up: DEEP RED basically sold out..

[AidanKing]

I'm fairly sure MichaelB likes the Taviani brothers so hopefully Arrow will be releasing the recently restored versions of some of their films. In particular, I don't think Kaos has ever had a UK DVD release. A Tavianis set would be very welcome of course.

[TMDaines]

April's UK only titles announced: individual releases of The Bitter Tears of Petra von Kant, The Marriage of Maria Braun, plus Rosi's Tre fratelli. Sweet!

[domino harvey]

With Anchor Bay titles now seemingly in contention in the US, I imagine it's only a matter of time til we see some of their heavy hitting genre titles like the Hills Have Eyes, no?

[ianungstad]

The Lakeshore titles are (were) with Image Entertainment; otherwise your spot on. They'll probably port Vamp over to the US next. Maybe individual releases of the first 2 Hellraiser films. If they have the full Lakeshore catalog; it's the third Hellraiser that prevented a US release of their UK boxset.

[TMDaines]

Any chance of releasing Volker Schlöndorff's Baal, starring Fassbinder? It was restored recently and had an English-friendly DVD release in Germany and has just come out on Blu-ray in France. A timely extra would be the Bowie-featuring BBC production of the play!

[Telstar]

Just received a copy of Nikkatsu Diamond Guys Vol 1 and had a quick look at the trailers for Diamond Guys Vol 2, which includes the films Tokyo Mighty Guy, Danger Paws and Murder Unincorporated. Other than what's apparent from the trailers -- this batch of movies seems weighed heavily towards broad, goofy comedy -- I haven't been able to dig up any information on the films. Anyone familiar with any of these?

[Mr Sloane]

The Lakeshore titles are (were) with Image Entertainment; otherwise your spot on. They'll probably port Vamp over to the US next. Maybe individual releases of the first 2 Hellraiser films. If they have the full Lakeshore catalog; it's the third Hellraiser that prevented a US release of their UK boxset.

Off the top of my head, Image also relased The Initiation, The Vineyard (both part of Arrowdrome in the UK), Slugs, Sister, Sister, Elvira: Mistress Of The Dark, Transylvania 6-5000, Mountaintop Motel Massacre, Return To Horror High, Return of The Killer Tomatoes and the first two House films on DVD in the US under the Midnight Madness banner. All of these I believe are Lakeshore titles and would be prime Arrow Video candidates. Hell, I'd even be up for Return To Horror High on Blu.

[kindaikun]

Just received a copy of Nikkatsu Diamond Guys Vol 1 and had a quick look at the trailers for Diamond Guys Vol 2, which includes the films Tokyo Mighty Guy, Danger Paws and Murder Unincorporated. Other than what's apparent from the trailers -- this batch of movies seems weighed heavily towards broad, goofy comedy -- I haven't been able to dig up any information on the films. Anyone familiar with any of these?

I wasn't familiar with the English titles for most of these I managed to find the Nikkatsu pages for them.

東京の暴れん坊 [The Tokyo Mighty Guy]
大日本殺し屋伝 [MURDER UN-INCORPORATED]
危いことなら銭になる [DANGER PAWS]

Exciting to be getting some lesser known film from Nikkatsu on blu-ray anyway, it'd be nice to see some of the Criterion Nikkatsu Noir titles and Tokyo Drifter some time too. Certainly looking forward to this set.

[feihong]

Danger Paws looks pretty cool. I've seen that poster before. Sad there's no Seijun Suzuki in the 2nd set, but it is nice these films are getting releases.

[Banasa]

From Alan Jones twitter yesterday:

Recording commentaries for gialli THE BLOODSTAINED BUTTERFLY & THE RED QUEEN KILLS 7 TIMES today with @AnnoDracula for @ArrowFilmsVideo

[TMDaines]

Time for another Limited Edition update! Below is how our Limited Edition stock currently stands:
American Horror Project Vol 1 (UK/US) – 25% sold out
Audition SteelBook – 50% sold out
Battles Without Honor and Humanity (UK/US) - 50% sold out
Blood and Black Lace SteelBook – 70% sold out
Blood Rage (UK/US) – 50% sold out
Deep Red – Sold out. Standard edition coming later this year!
Edgar Allan Poe’s Black Cats (UK) – 80% sold out
Edgar Allan Poe’s Black Cats (US) – 65% sold out
The Jacques Rivette collection – 40% sold out
Kiju Yoshida Love + Anarchism – 80% sold out
The Long Good Friday/Mona Lisa box set – 75% sold out
Nekromantik 2 – Sold out. Standard edition coming later this year!
The Rainer Werner Fassbinder Collection – 75% sold out
Stray Cat Rock (US) – 50% sold out

[TMDaines]

Unless I'm being seriously daft, there's no thread for Deep Red: Beaver raves.