peerpee wrote:I've never had a Blu-ray.com Forum ID and I'm not creating one just to reply to this post by Dr Svet, but I'll reply to it here:
pro-bassoonist wrote:
Originally Posted by adamhopelies
Funnily enough I remember MoC founder Nick Wrigley defending Tooze over his DVDBeaver review of Peeping Tom quite recently. Nick was particularly scathing about the transfer, and made a point out of saying that Tooze was one of the only people who picked up on the problems in review.
It is pretty funny, actually, because Nick isn't an authority on that particular restoration and transfer. In fact, I am unsure if he has actually seen the new restoration theatrically. There are also comments on this forum pointing to the fact that apparently Mr. Scorsese isn't unimpressed with the new restoration - quite the contrary.
I really do not want to go back and rehash old arguments over this release, but if someone is unhappy with something, this something surely goes straight back to the restoration. Because you don't get this type of detail after you DNR something:
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This is much closer to this resto:
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...which also introduces plenty of food for thought as to what was actually done there.
Now, can we go back to using this thread for MOC information, not to discuss other releases or restoration issues. Thanks.
Pro-B
I'd be grateful if somebody could please post my following response back in that Blu-ray.com thread?
Dear Pro-B,
I've talked to someone in confidence who is an absolute authority on this particular restoration and you (clearly) haven't, so please quit the snidey character slights, because you're dead wrong on this one. I can back everything up, and with bells on.
I have not surmised or pretended to know anything in my carefully worded views about this terrible restoration. You really *do* need to go over this one from scratch – trust me. I wouldn't have kept banging on about it if I weren't 100% sure.
-Nick>-
Hello Nick,
I am going to respond to your comment(s) here.
First, could you please contact me via PM or email next time you want me to address any questions you might have? The reason I ask is because I do not visit, read or post regularly on this forum. Not because I am not interested, but because I simply do not have the time. The only time I come here is when I occasionally exchange PMs with David (from time to time we share info on older DVD or Blu-ray releases).
Now to address what you have written. I don't intend to have an ongoing debate here because I really do not believe that there is anything I need to discuss in detail. Also, the manner in which you have addressed me here -- without me even knowing (I refer to the posts/requests that I just discovered you made quite some time ago despite the fact that I am not an active member here) -- really does not inspire me much to write. Again, if there was anything
snidey it must have been that series of posts where you apparently wanted me to respond on a forum that I do not visit. The tone of those posts is very aggressive and I don't think I've written something that deserves it. I occasionally enjoy good debates, but only when they are friendly
The Canal release. I don't have the desire to discuss something with anonymous sources. But whoever/whatever your source is, he must be a much bigger authority on the film than Mr. Scorsese. (I will include what I believe is a relevant quote below).
This particular release I like because it clearly has nothing in common with the likes of, say, Don't Look Now, or The Outsiders, where someone clearly turned up something. The difference between the transfers used for Don't Look Now and Peeping Tom should be obvious even to those who don't typically pay attention to digital manipulations.
Now, if you have a problem with the actual restoration of Peeping Tom, this is an entirely different matter. You may question why the restorers have made certain decisions, but as far as I am concerned this has little to do with the final transfer. I can clearly see that the people that worked on the restoration went in certain places and did certain things, but as I have illustrated with the screencaptures there is plenty of very good detail and depth on that release. It has a certain "trashy" look, if you will, but I think it is appropriate.
Was this how the film looked in the theaters many years ago? No need to debate here, it most certainly did not. But this could also be said about Apocalypse Now (also with some obvious corrections made) or The Godfather.
Again, maybe you are unhappy with the restoration, but this is a very different debate, and I don't think you want to have it with me.
I think that this restoration works. And according to one of our members, who also has a blog/site I believe, so does Mr. Scorsese. Here's what he had to say:
That would be me then! I saw the film a few weeks ago, with Martin Scorsese in attendance. While I'm more concerned with looking at cinema academically (as opposed to from a technical standpoint) I had no discerning issues with what I saw that night, nor what I can see on the Blu-ray (both in relation to the theatrical screening, and the disc itself). For what its worth, the disc is an accurate representation of the restored theatrical version of the film. And further to that Mr. Scorsese himself is very pleased with the restoration, and we all know his feelings towards digital manipulation (re; the quote above).
As I'm sure I've pointed out before, I have been around this film for much of my film-keen life. I saw the film at 16, theatrically, and have owned every previous DVD incarnation of the title. In my mind, the Blu-ray looks right. Again, I'm not sure whether my opinion actually matters on this issue, being far less technically concerned than most, but thats my view.
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Lastly, unlike what you write above, I did have quite a few exchanges with people from Canal when the disc arrived on the market. (Just like when there were doubts about Arrow's release of The Conformist I reached out for additional information, and just like I recently exchanged emails with the people who worked on the recent Herzog restorations in Germany; so, yes, I do check my sources). Unfortunately, these exchanges took place almost 3 years ago, and I don't believe I keep any emails from that time.
OK, Nick, I hope this info is sufficient as I do not plan on engaging in a debate. And I very much hope that we are on friendly terms now as I genuinely dislike drama.
Take care, Nick.
S.
