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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:19 pm
by cdnchris
You should still go for it. I have the HD DVDs of the Kubricks and they're all quite wonderful, 2001 was especially impressive (the scene where HAL gets shut down looks incredible in hi-def.) I don't know why they didn't release them in a box but they're still worth the money.

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:03 pm
by Darth Lavender
2001 and The Shining, absolutely.
Both look excellent in high definition, and have a goodly number of extras (although I haven't looked through them yet)

Eyes Wide Shut (the other HD Kubrick I own) is a maybe. It's something of an improvement (I stupidly got rid of my 4:3 DVD, so can't really compare) with a slightly soft, grainy picture that I suspect is true to the look of the film (lots of lens flare, some obvious blue-screen, etc. seems to make it pretty clear that Kubrick shot this to look 'crudely made' in parts) BUT watching it in 1.78:1 (especially on a 1.66:1 set) I'm increasingly convinced the film SHOULD be 1.66:1, there's just too many scenes were the very top of someone's head is cut off, etc.
And the extras are frightfully light. Some interesting stuff about Kubrick himself (interviews with relatives, etc. and a short featurette on the unfinished projects (Napoleon, Aryan Papers, etc.) but practically nothing on Eyes Wide Shut.

As for the other releases, I've heard the improvement over DVD isn't that great, but the extras sound interesting.
Never been that big a fan of Clockwork Orange or Full Metal Jacket, anyway, so those were an easy 'pass' for me.

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:19 am
by fdm
I'll avoid mentioning stuff that most here would poo-poo on, but check out Lives Of Others and Pan's Labyrinth. Reds too. Possibly The Fountain (depends on what you like); and Bonnie & Clyde -- but there I go...

Some titles I've got my eye on (coming later this year) are Becket and the (newly restored) Godfather trilogy. And also How The West Was Won.

Likely Zodiac will be coming along fairly soon.

(Of the Kubricks, I was most disappointed in Clockwork Orange, it's PQ was the least "hi-def" of the bunch; still haven't gotten around to Full Metal Jacket. Eyes Wide Shut and The Shining are probably my favorites, mostly because I think I've seen 2001 too many times - but it too was pretty stunning, looked and sounded wonderful. I've never quite made it to the DVD version of Barry Lyndon, putting it off thinking that it was going to be put out in hi-def, but no such luck.)

Also highly recommend Blade Runner and The Fifth Element if you like that sort of thing. I'd put Blade Runner in the same category as 2001, probably seen it too many times, but the blu-ray made it almost seem like watching it again for the first time. Fifth Element equally so.

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:54 am
by Magic Hate Ball
Darth Lavender wrote:I'm increasingly convinced the film SHOULD be 1.66:1
I'm pretty sure Kubrick really wanted to shoot all his movies 1.66:1 (in fact, that's how they were released in Europe). He makes really good use of it with Clockwork Orange, in which he utilized wide-angle lenses to make the image seem wider than it really was, while keeping the vertical height of the image. Barry Lyndon looks gorgeous in it, too. I don't mind the 1.78:1 ratio, because at least it's how it was released theatrically, but still, 1.66:1 is nice.

As for the sort of fuzzy look of Eyes Wide Shut, that was intended, of course. He shot the entire thing with low light and overexposed it, pulling it back down a couple stops in post. When it was screened for critics, they actually thought it was a work print, due to the grain. I think it looks spectacular in high defenition.

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:30 am
by miless
I doubt Kubrick intended 2001 to be 1.66.

But I could see him preferring it on those films he shot open matte.

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:47 am
by MichaelB
miless wrote:I doubt Kubrick intended 2001 to be 1.66.
No, he absolutely didn't - it was Cinerama.

For the record, the other Kubrick film that's wider than the norm is Spartacus, but as he took over shooting from Anthony Mann I suspect he didn't have any choice in the matter.

On the subject of Kubrick Blu-Rays, can anyone confirm whether the Canadian edition of The Shining is the 144-minute cut? It's going for a rock-bottom price on PlayUSA.com, and I'm prepared to put up with the bilingual cover - provided it's the long version.

(I'm pretty sure the UK version is the 119-minute "international" cut)

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:25 am
by Napoleon
fdm wrote:Likely Zodiac will be coming along fairly soon.
DVDBeaver has already reviewed the Japanese release and it has a UK street date of late September, so a US release can't be too far away.

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:51 am
by MichaelB
davidhare wrote:I assume this is now a Universal version. Err so to speak.
These reviews of the French and Dutch Blu-Rays suggest otherwise. I don't read Dutch (or at least not without filtering it through native English and long-forgotten school German), but this bit suggests that it's not simply a typo:
Er bestaan twee versies van The Shining. De Europese versie, die 119 minuten speeltijd heeft. In de Verenigde Staten is The Shining uitgebracht in de originele bioscoopversie, die ruim 25 minuten langer duurt.
So I'm assuming that the UK version is the same transfer. Mind you, that's largely academic, as it's so much more expensive than the Canadian version that the latter would be preferable even if it was the shorter cut!

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:44 am
by 4LOM
chaddoli wrote:Yes I am definitely interested in the Kubricks, especially Eyes Wide Shut. But why isn't there a box?
Warner will release a box set of these in Germany on 09/26/08. Details are available at cinefacts.de.

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:09 pm
by Magic Hate Ball
miless wrote:I doubt Kubrick intended 2001 to be 1.66.

But I could see him preferring it on those films he shot open matte.
Of course not, I meant everything from A Clockwork Orange and on.

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:10 pm
by chaddoli
fdm wrote:I'll avoid mentioning stuff that most here would poo-poo on, but check out Lives Of Others and Pan's Labyrinth. Reds too. Possibly The Fountain (depends on what you like); and Bonnie & Clyde -- but there I go...

Some titles I've got my eye on (coming later this year) are Becket and the (newly restored) Godfather trilogy. And also How The West Was Won.

Likely Zodiac will be coming along fairly soon.

(Of the Kubricks, I was most disappointed in Clockwork Orange, it's PQ was the least "hi-def" of the bunch; still haven't gotten around to Full Metal Jacket. Eyes Wide Shut and The Shining are probably my favorites, mostly because I think I've seen 2001 too many times - but it too was pretty stunning, looked and sounded wonderful. I've never quite made it to the DVD version of Barry Lyndon, putting it off thinking that it was going to be put out in hi-def, but no such luck.)

Also highly recommend Blade Runner and The Fifth Element if you like that sort of thing. I'd put Blade Runner in the same category as 2001, probably seen it too many times, but the blu-ray made it almost seem like watching it again for the first time. Fifth Element equally so.
Thanks for the recommendations. You reminded me that Bonnie and Clyde and How the West Was Won are available (I'm not interested in the rest).

I will be picking up the Kubricks eventually, but again I have to express my annoyance over the lack of a boxset. I'll probably just get Eyes Wide Shut and The Shining for now. But I really, really want Barry Lyndon on Blu Ray.

It's funny (and tragic) that every time Kubrick on home video is mentioned, a OAR debate is struck up. I grew up watching them on video and am used to (and like) them in 1.33.

After some searching I saw that Deliverance is also available.

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:04 pm
by chaddoli
Also, is the PS3 region free? I have a feeling it's not, which is incredibly lame. Does a hack exist? Red Desert on BR in the UK makes my mouth water....

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:07 pm
by Rich Malloy
As far as I know, there are no region-free BD players. Someone please prove me wrong!

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:15 pm
by davebert
None out of the box, but there's chipping, I believe. I've never been that dedicated to the sport, so I'll be sitting out on all-region-ism until Oppo or another manufacturer makes it incredibly simple, like standard DVD players.

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:09 pm
by Darth Lavender
Not sure about players, and how long the Region-Free chips would last, anyway. (These players are constantly needing 'updates' to play new disks, etc.)

The one straightforward option (and something which I've always advocated for DVD, and advocate even more for Blu-Ray) is a HTPC.

"Anydvd HD" makes a computer region-free and releases regular updates for newer disks.
BUT, it means either paying $100+ for a 'feature' that should be available on any player, anyway (the ability to play our legally purchased, legally imported, DVDs and Blu-Rays) or downloading it through pirate networks, torrents, etc.
Neither are terribly appealing prospects.

I'm confident that a free program (like DeCSS or DVDDecrypter) will get released by some hacker eventually, so if you're opposed to both price-gauging AND software piracy, I still say get a HTPC setup and wait.

(In fact, I'd have to check up the details, but I THINK the barebones but free trial version of DVDFab (or some such thing, I'll have to check the name) already has the ability to rip region-locked Blu-Rays to the hard-drive and remove the region-code in the process.

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:21 pm
by s.j. bagley
chaddoli wrote:Also, is the PS3 region free? I have a feeling it's not, which is incredibly lame. Does a hack exist? Red Desert on BR in the UK makes my mouth water....
sadly, no.
and most of the hardware hacks i've heard of don't work too well, either.
(and, for the record, it's upscaling isn't anywhere near as good as the oppo DV-983H, although it's still not too shabby as far as it goes.)
one thing i do like about my ps3, is that i was able to switch out the 20 gb hard drive with a 25 gb one.
as far as decent titles on bd that may have been overlooked, here, i really like anchor bay's treatment of 'dawn of the dead' and 'day of the dead' and i'd also recommend 'gattaca,' 'a scanner darkly,' 'bonnie and clyde,' 'the adventures of baron munchausen,' and 'the prestige.'
also, i recommend avoiding the bd of 'robocop' and just sticking with the sd 2-disc edition in the steelbook.

Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:14 am
by Darth Lavender
Interesting, the high marks "Scanner Darkly" seems to get.

I've only seen the SD myself, which is excellent, but given the film's look I don't see the Blu-Ray being able to offer much improvement. Certainly not much more detail, etc.

(Had the same response to Paprika, which I've seen only on Blu-Ray. Excellent looking disk (with a wonderful lossless soundtrack) but given the relatively simple animation I suspect that the SD version probably looks almost identical.)

If we're talking great blu-ray disks, I'd give high marks to "Final Fantasy" Ironically, the film's faux-grain is better than the vast majority of 'film' titles and surprisingly for a CGI film the detail is much better than the SD.

Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:53 am
by fdm
chaddoli wrote:Also, is the PS3 region free? I have a feeling it's not, which is incredibly lame. Does a hack exist? Red Desert on BR in the UK makes my mouth water.
You may still be able to play it if the disk is "region free"... (I have no idea.)

Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:36 am
by MichaelB
fdm wrote:
chaddoli wrote:Also, is the PS3 region free? I have a feeling it's not, which is incredibly lame. Does a hack exist? Red Desert on BR in the UK makes my mouth water.
You may still be able to play it if the disk is "region free"... (I have no idea.)
Well, the BFI's other Blu-Ray, Salò, isn't region-coded...

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:10 am
by Rufus T. Firefly
Dr Strangelove in December, Taxi Driver in February.

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:40 am
by ellipsis7
I'm waiting till Arcam develop their Blu-Ray player, to be launched at earliest late 2009... Presently I'm getting a better (and pretty much equally detailed) image off my Criterion SD-DVD discs from Arcam DV79 player through HDMI to Sim Domino HD projector, than off a Sony Blu Ray of CASINO ROYALE playing on PS3, also fed via HDMI to the same Sim Domino HD Projector... Also the PS3 plays SD-DVD discs much worse than the Arcam...

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:20 pm
by bkimball
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:Dr Strangelove in December, Taxi Driver in February.
Notice the list price of $30. A true sign of prices coming down from $40?

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:28 pm
by Cosmic Bus
bkimball wrote:Notice the list price of $30. A true sign of prices coming down from $40?
Catalog titles from most of the studios normally list at $30, occasionally higher if it's an elaborate edition or involves some sort of special packaging -- Warner's book-style releases seem to have been bumped up to $34.99, whereas catalog/classics in the standard cases remain at the lower point.

On the pricing issue, I'm particularly pleased with First Look's choice to list the upcoming Proposition disc at $20; I was able to preorder it for less than $12, and typical retail is looking like it'll land in the $15-$18 range. I'll be thrilled if more titles can hit at that level.

Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:53 pm
by pro-bassoonist
Tarsem's The Fall, set to be released on September 9th. Winner of the Crystal Ball Award at the Berlin International Film Festival (2007). Trailer
Mr. Ebert wrote:Tarsem's "The Fall" is a mad folly, an extravagant visual orgy, a free-fall from reality into uncharted realms. Surely it is one of the wildest indulgences a director has ever granted himself. Tarsem, for two decades a leading director of music videos and TV commercials, spent millions of his own money to finance "The Fall," filmed it for four years in 28 countries and has made a movie that you might want to see for no other reason than because it exists.

There will never be another like it.

"The Fall" is so audacious that when Variety calls it a "vanity project," you can only admire the man vain enough to make it. It tells a simple story with vast romantic images so stunning I had to check twice, three times, to be sure the film actually claims to have absolutely no computer-generated imagery. None? What about the Labyrinth of Despair, with no exit? The intersecting walls of zig-zagging staircases? The man who emerges from the burning tree? Perhaps the key words are "computer-generated." Perhaps some of the images are created by more traditional kinds of special effects.

The story framework for the imagery is straightforward. In Los Angeles, circa 1915, a silent movie stunt man has his legs paralyzed while performing a reckless stunt. He convalesces in a half-deserted hospital, its corridors of cream and lime stretching from ward to ward of mostly empty beds, their pillows and sheets awaiting the harvest of World War I. The stunt man is Roy (Lee Pace), pleasant in appearance, confiding in speech, happy to make a new friend of a little girl named Alexandria (Catinca Untaru).

Roy tells a story to Alexandria, involving adventurers who change appearance as quickly as a child's imagination can do its work. We see the process. He tells her of an "Indian" who has a wigwam and a squaw. She does not know these words, and envisions an Indian from a land of palaces, turbans and swamis. The verbal story is input from Roy; the visual story is output from Alexandria.

The story involves Roy (playing the Black Bandit) and his friends: a bomb-throwing Italian anarchist, an escaped African slave, an Indian (from India), and Charles Darwin and his pet monkey, Wallace. Their sworn enemy, Governor Odious, has stranded them on a desert island, but they come ashore (riding swimming elephants, of course) and wage war on him.

Roy draws out the story for a personal motive; after Alexandria brings him some communion wafers from the hospital chapel, he persuades her to steal some morphine tablets from the dispensary. Paralyzed and having lost his great love (she is the Princess in his story), he hopes to kill himself. There is a wonderful scene of the little girl trying to draw him back to life.

Either you are drawn into the world of this movie or you are not. It is preposterous, of course, but I vote with Werner Herzog, who says if we do not find new images, we will perish. Here a line of bowmen shoot hundreds of arrows into the air. So many of them fall into the back of the escaped slave that he falls backward and the weight of his body is supported by them, as on a bed of nails with dozens of foot-long arrows. There is scene of the monkey Wallace chasing a butterfly through impossible architecture.

At this point in reviews of movies like "The Fall" (not that there are any), I usually announce that I have accomplished my work. I have described what the movie does, how it looks while it is doing it, and what the director has achieved. Well, what has he achieved? "The Fall" is beautiful for its own sake. And there is the sweet charm of the young Romanian actress Catinca Untaru, who may have been dubbed for all I know, but speaks with the innocence of childhood, working her way through tangles of words. She regards with equal wonder the reality she lives in, and the fantasy she pretends to. It is her imagination that creates the images of Roy's story, and they have a purity and power beyond all calculation. Roy is her perfect storyteller, she is his perfect listener, and together they build a world.

Ebert notes: The movie's R rating should not dissuade bright teenagers from this celebration of the imagination.
Dennis Harvey-Variety wrote:Many thought Tarsem's 2000 serial-killer thriller "The Cell" defined the trend of TV commercial/musicvid whizzes making movies composed of 95% visual flash -- but they ain't seen nothin' yet. Soph effort "The Fall" is an absurdly elaborate package oblivious to the interests of any audience beyond its own wildly indulged creator. This convoluted, arbitrary, overlong whimsy will strike most grown-ups as childish, and is far too violent and pretentious for kids. Pic's sheer curiosity value should win some defenders, but will pose a very tough sell. Best prospects perhaps lie in drastic re-cutting for family DVD markets.

There's something appalling about a vanity project that takes this much time, money and energy to make (shot in nearly two dozen countries). Nor can Tarsem claim the visionary entitlement of past large-scale art cinema masters like Jodorowsky or Tarkovsky, because the only thing behind his stunning pictures is an advertising genius' instinct for the "wow" image. Those work best in isolation, though, not in two-hour compilations.

While "The Fall" does score points for sheer originality, ambition and perversity of concept, the film is based on a 1981 Bulgarian pic, "Yo Ho Ho," written by Valeri Petrov, in which all the major ideas in "The Fall" already exist. That earlier film (directed by Zako Heskija) was by all accounts cheap and charming, whereas the new edition has neither of those attributes.

After a railroad-bridge-plunge prologue whose every slo-mo B&W shot is self-consciously wrought, we enter the color world of Los Angeles "a long, long time ago" (circa 1915, by the looks of things). Convalescing in the children's ward of a hospital is Alexandria (Catinca Untaru), a spirited tot with a broken arm. Bored, the child tosses a note from her window to nurse Evelyn (Justine Waddell), but it's blown instead into the lap of bedridden young man Roy (Lee Pace) on another floor. He's been paralyzed in the aforementioned bridge stunt, performed for a silent Western feature.

Roy befriends the tyke, holding her attention by spinning a fantastical tale about five larger-than-life heroes: masked swashbuckler the Black Bandit (Pace), muscle-bound escaped African slave Otta Benga (Marcus Wesley), an Indian mystic (Julian Bleach), Italian anarchist Luigi (Robin Smith), and naturalist Charles Darwin (Leo Bill), all of whom have been banished to a desert isle.

Escaping, they vow vengeance on shared nemesis Governor Odious (Daniel Caltagirone), kidnapping his fiancee (Waddell) and finally facing off against the Gov.'s armed hordes.

Visualized by Alexandria, these characters are played by hospital residents and staff in extravagant disguise (costumes flashily designed by Eiko Ishioka). Their already capricious adventures gain additional eccentricity from a 5-year-old's imagination. But Tarsem evinces no lightness of touch or flair for action set pieces. Instead, the fantasy segs -- shot on exotic locations from Turkey to Cambodia to Chile to Prague -- offer a cold pageantry that might be better suited for a Matthew Barney epic.

The hospital sequences take a morbid turn, but Tarsem lacks the deftness of touch to make the development touching rather than grotesque, despite good adult/child thesp chemistry. Untaru is a charmer, despite being saddled with precocious dialogue.

With everything from underwater shots of pachyderms swimming to massed sufi dancers to Brothers Quay-type animation, "The Fall" doesn't lack for amazing sights. But they lack an ingratiating context, and what goodwill the pic does conjure is betrayed in last reel, accompanied by a rote antiwar message; effects are so misjudged they're commensurate with someone cutting "Girls Gone Wild" clips into "The Little Mermaid."

Happy ending feels like a formulaic afterthought; the sentimentality "Fall" occasionally strives for never convinces.

What Tarsem has created is basically a coffee-table book of striking travelogue images masquerading as a mix of warm-hearted period drama and fantasy. Aesthetically sumptuous, technically often remarkable, "The Fall" is nonetheless an alienating experience --a white elephant at once enthralled by its own rarefied distance from basic human interest.

All visual design contribs are superb, though the music is bombastic.

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:02 am
by The Fanciful Norwegian
MichaelB wrote:
fdm wrote:
chaddoli wrote:Also, is the PS3 region free? I have a feeling it's not, which is incredibly lame. Does a hack exist? Red Desert on BR in the UK makes my mouth water.
You may still be able to play it if the disk is "region free"... (I have no idea.)
Well, the BFI's other Blu-Ray, Salò, isn't region-coded...
Unfortunately the second disc of standard-def PAL content will be unplayable on a U.S./NTSC PS3, as the PS3 won't do the standards conversion (even for region-free discs).