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But the real issue isn't the idea of pulling these out of print and then bringing them back. The issue is, that with 4K and 3DBlu formats looming, and attention already starting to be pulled in many different directions by home theater geeks, Blu-Ray isn't going to have as comfy a shelf life as DVD. These studios are not going to get around to a lot of niche titles on Blu-Ray as they did on DVD before they have to switch gears again and focus on another format(s). The potential for Blu-Ray technology is already being bemoaned by major studios as they try to avoid things like quadruple-layer discs becoming the norm because it'd alienate a lot of recent purchasers of Blu-Ray players as too sharp an upgrade in the technology would immediately render their shiny new players obsolete before they even got a chance to get started.

And the really obnoxious part of all this is that the studios, taking their good ol' time getting titles out on Blu-Ray, are putting out 'no one asked for this!' garbage like Freddy vs. Jason and Assault on Precinct 13 and Stardust and Timecop before taking a look at what films will actually sell well long-term on the format. My theory is that studios are taking advantage of the paltry selection out there and hoping that a title like that, along with a nice price point, will get a lot of 'well, nothing else is out this week, so...' sales for titles that'd otherwise be largely ignored, and judging by the usual top sellers represented on blu-ray.com, this strategy seems to be working.

I hope you're referring to the remake on Assault and not the Carpenter version.
I'm actually perfectly fine with the way Disney does things because: A. they're honest about it. B. They always put the stuff back out again in improved editions even if it takes forever C. they give massively advanced warning each time. D. they only do a limited number of OOPs at a time. Paramount, and in a more forgivable case MGM, haven't done any of these things which is just hateful and harmful to the consumer.

perkizitore wrote:

HistoryProf wrote:

perkizitore wrote:Don't forget to get the Special Edition of Stalag 17, it's quite an upgrade from the old dvd!

son of a bitch.

I beg your pardon? =;

SOB: AKA, I didn't know this one was OOP and wish I would have bought it when I had it in my hands a few months ago at Target or somewhere and thought "nah, I don't need it right this minute and it's not like it's going anywhere...I'll bet I find it cheaper later".

Son of a Bitch.

knives wrote:What he said.

and then substitute "taking dvds out of print" for product placementin this one.

MyNameCriterionForum wrote:

knives wrote:Another problem with the lack of the physical is the question of ownership. How do you own a download. With DVD you actually get a copy to view whenever, but it's easier to get rid of downloads and even have to constantly pay for it via an insane rental system.

Bingo. And of course the possibility of censorship or other alteration (or deletion) is increased manyfold; it's a statist's wet dream, frankly.

Yup. We might remember that "recall of 1984 from Kindles about a year or so back. That movie you had stored on your computer suddenly disappears...
Short of arriving at your door with a warrant, the studios can't take back a DVD you bought.

I wonder how the studios will region code legal downloads? :-k

manicsounds wrote:Seriously, why all the bitching and complaining? Time to take them back to the vault.

Upgrade to Blu-ray? Streaming titles? Digital Downloads? I say it's better.

Disney's mission statement, not even Leonard Martin couldn't put it better

colinr0380 wrote:I wonder how the studios will region code legal downloads? :-k

They won't, they'll go much much further in their restrictions.

Can't stress this enough: Check your Barnes and Nobles! I found all three Paramount Jerry Lewis sets, Pretty Baby, the Country Girl (might need it for teaching, ie certainly not grabbing this one for my own enjoyment), Murder on the Orient Express, the Ten Commandments 50th Anniv (which turned out to not be OOP, of course), Harold and Maude (which I thought I owned but according to DVDAf I sold it-- thank God I got one now since they're going for $33 new) and the Naked Gun trilogy (Jesus, going for $46 new?!) to gouge online.

They're dupes for me, so I'll sell the Legendary Jerry Collection and second Martin and Lewis set (the good one with the Tashlins) to anyone here for list price plus shipping, if anyone can't find them

Is the first Martin & Lewis set even worth tracking down? I have Vol. 2 and the Legendary Jerry box, but not the first.

Highway 61 wrote:Is the first Martin & Lewis set even worth tracking down? I have Vol. 2 and the Legendary Jerry box, but not the first.

I was never interested, but it's going for over $100 now

what was it at B&N?

jaredsap wrote:The next generation will have more films available to them than even we did during the golden age of DVD. I promise.

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No, they won't.

As a Canadian we barely get half (if that) of what the United States does for streaming/downlaod via iTunes. We don't have Amazon streaming at all and nothing resembling Netflix steaming. Hulu and similar sites are blocked. Even streaming programs from major networks like NBC is geoblocked. The lack of physical formats of an entire studio catalog basically pulls those films out of circulation for good for a lot of people. If it comes back online, it will be for very select countries thanks to byzantine licensing issues.

You think studios that don't want to spend money pressing DVD/Blu for their back catalog are going to make it a priority to stream them? The future is all HD 3D and they will pour their money down that well before making sure their catalog remains available and well represented.

The best era for home video was and still is the VHS years.

Oddly enough, this kind of action makes a great case for piracy.

HistoryProf wrote:what was it at B&N?

$49.99 before discounts and B2G1 \:D/

Something to keep in mind. Paramount did license out a shitload of titles to Olive Films earlier this year. This may be their model for their back catalog for the future.......on the way........

* Rope of Sand (1949)
* Union Station (1950)
* Dark City (1950)
* Appointment with Danger (1951)
* My Favorite Spy (1951)
* Off Limits (1953)
* Knock on Wood (1954)
* The Mountain (1956)
* The Savage Innocents (1960)
* On the Double (1961)
* Summer and Smoke (1961)
* Escape from Zahrain (1962)
* Where Love Has Gone (1964)
* Crack in the World (1965)
* Harlow (1965)
* Sands of the Kalahari (1965)
* Promise Her Anything (1965)
* Hurry Sundown (1967)
* Skidoo (1968)
* Riot (1969)
* Tropic of Cancer (1970)
* WUSA (1970)
* Hannie Caulder (1971)
* Such Good Friends (1971)
* Fear Is the Key (1972)
* Jacqueline Susann's Once Is Not Enough (1975)
* Face to Face (Ansikte mot ansikte) (1976)

first titles were supposed to be out in June, but I don't think that happened

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The first Olive/Paramount titles are due this month on the 27th. In case you forgot which ones, here they are again:

Union Station (1950)
Appointment With Danger (19510
Dark City (1950)
Crack in the World (1965)
and
Hannie Caulder (1972)

My Favorite Spy and Knock on Wood are due in October - I just found out via http://www.classicflix.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Antoine Doinel wrote:You think studios that don't want to spend money pressing DVD/Blu for their back catalog are going to make it a priority to stream them?

Yes, since the costs and time required to manufacture DVDs and Blus (and interface with retailers, manage inventory, etc.) are not comparable to supplying a file to Apple, Netflix, et al. to stream.

However, I'll concede my argument only applies to the US for now. I understand why the decline of physical media is a scary proposition for other countries.

Antoine Doinel wrote:Oddly enough, this kind of action makes a great case for piracy.

Not odd at all. The more studios fail to meet consumer demand, the more active the piracy. Doesn't look like the studios have really figured this out yet, have they?

Antoine Doinel wrote:Something to keep in mind. Paramount did license out a shitload of titles to Olive Films earlier this year. This may be their model for their back catalog for the future.

What likely will be the future model is not one thing or the other but a whole bunch of things simultaneously. Streaming, VOD, downloads, DVD-Rs and licensing in as many different venues as possible. Just like with music these days. Maybe we'll see a whole bunch more companies like Olive Films start up.

Antoine Doinel wrote:We don't have Amazon streaming at all and nothing resembling Netflix steaming.

Netflix is supposed to be setting up a streaming service in Canada and parts of Europe, but they sure seem to be taking their time about it.

Perhaps I'm a bit more optimistic than others, but it seems to me that Paramount and Warner are suspending the production of a bulk of their DVDs only temporarily as a means to save money until their home video divisions can a) continue through the recession, b) reconfigure for blu-ray, and c) perhaps adequately pursue downloads and MOD services. I suspect once these are no longer issues then these titles will come back into print.

Antoine Doinel wrote:Something to keep in mind. Paramount did license out a shitload of titles to Olive Films earlier this year. This may be their model for their back catalog for the future.......on the way........

* The Savage Innocents (1960)

well that's at least one piece of good news...this is one MOC title that's bugged me isn't available here and I've really wanted. Hopefully they do these right. It would be nice to see a few more niche companies pick up the slack and offer affordable editions of stuff like this.

AfterTheRain wrote:The first Olive/Paramount titles are due this month on the 27th. In case you forgot which ones, here they are again:

Union Station (1950)
Appointment With Danger (19510
Dark City (1950)
Crack in the World (1965)
and
Hannie Caulder (1972)

My Favorite Spy and Knock on Wood are due in October - I just found out via http://www.classicflix.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Looks like they are all $24.95 MSRP...not too bad, but I was hoping for $20. Certainly nothing to complain about though...considering the trend of charging $20-25 for DVD-Rs...which I just can't bring myself to pay.

Interestingly enough, they also picked up Milk of Sorrow, one of the Foreign Film Oscar nominees.

Just ordered Wenders' Hammett from a 3rd party on Amazon before it got too high...

These OOP Paramounts are still available new from Amazon:
A New Kind of Love
the Accused
Atlantic City
Barefoot in the Park
Desire Under the Elms
Detective Story
Election (Blu)
Hud
Laugh Or I'll Shoot Collection (The Naked Gun / Top Secret! / Airplane!)
Naked Gun 33 1/3
the Naked Jungle
No Way to Treat a Lady
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (Blu)
Talented Mr Ripley/School Ties (Double Feature)
3 Days of the Condor

Available new for a price at or below list via Amazon Marketplace but fulfilled by Amazon:
Carrie (Wyler)
Daisy Miller
Hell Is For Heroes
It's All True
Murder on the Orient Express
Starting Over
Wonder Boys

Let me know of any others on Amazon that you come across and I will edit them into this post

Antoine Doinel wrote:The best era for home video was and still is the VHS years.

I don't know. The VHS era was pretty robust for rentals, but the selection available nonetheless was pretty weak. I'm sure a lot of guys on this board remember driving to every Blockbuster in their area just to see which handful of films no other store was carrying. Or going to generic video shops where the clerks would inevitably ask just why you were renting so many miles from home.

No matter what's happening right now, I still think our current time period is the best ever for watching video. It's too bad the studios seem so behind the curve.

For domino's list in the top post above, It's All True is still available cheaply new but is OOP. And if we allow "available like-new for a price at or below list," then When Words Collide is still eligible for that category.