The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Joel & Ethan Coen, 2018)

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Slaphappy
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Re: The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2018)

#126 Post by Slaphappy »

whaleallright wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:11 am People often ascribe stuff that's been part of human society for time immemorial, to the most proximate bogeyman (capitalism, America, millennials, etc.). People have exploited other people, often in gruesome ways, as far back as we know. Would the sketch in question never not be "timely" in that broad sense?

Reminds me a bit of how for many decades, every film that came out of Eastern Europe (or later, China) was interpreted in the U.S. to be a parable about Communist oppression. some certainly were, others were just about classic things (exploitation, misery, absurdity, hatred) that just so happened to still be present in socialist Europe.

Anyway, if the Coens did intend a "commentary" (ugh) on current events, one thing we can be certain of is that they'd never own up to it.
Funny synchronicity. I was just thinking about Stalker, because both it and Meal Ticket have characters who are named as archetypes (writer, professor and stalker / artist and impresario) and because even though Tarkovsky has been very clear that the movie is not an allegory on Soviet Union, it is clearly a story with dystopian elements relatable for someone who’s lived under Soviet rule. Coens have done a lot of variations of this "creative persons vs. commercial industry" theme, but it's always been done from very new fresh angles and avoiding the most obvious conclusions.

Tiny rabbit hole I'm thinking about diving into: Shakespeare's sonnet 29, regular number by Meal Ticket's artist, is also quoted by a down-and-out actor friend of the main character in Nicholas Ray's In a Lonely Place. Never read the original book, so that's my next move on my Coen studies along with watching The Big Knife, that might to be connected too.
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Re: The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2018)

#127 Post by bad future »

Constable wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:46 am
bad future wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:07 pm Were the Coens thinking about any of those things as they shot (on digital for the first time) a vignette about about market conditions leading an entertainer to lower his standards in a way that coldly discards an employee, for a netflix-exclusive movie that was reworked from an aborted tv series? No idea but seems plausible!
What's the story behind this? What's shooting on digital got to do with it? You're not saying the market conditions are the disappearance of film, are you?
bad future wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:07 pmI mean, even without knowing the meta context, all that stuff is in the story and it seems like they would need heroic levels of creative tunnel vision for it to be only about those two characters and their unique circumstances, to the exclusion of all the ways it reflects the art/commerce relationship now and through history.
To me it seems much more likely that they just wrote a story that has a grim dramatic punch to it, even without knowing that they've openly said they never imbue their stories with symbolic or metaphorical meaning.
I wasn’t suggesting a 1:1 relationship like “Meal Ticket is about the disappearance of film”; more that in writing a story about artistic and professional standards compromised In the face of market forces and audience demand, they may have been channeling a bit of their own weary resignation to those constants. Of course then it starts to get so broad that why did I even bother!

Just saying it’s hard to imagine it ended up as such a perfect microcosm of every time someone has been replaced by something cheaper and dumber, by accident.. but maybe the difference here is my perception of how ‘novel’ it can still be to succinctly address those things. We don’t say every story in which someone is motivated by the thirst for power is about the thirst for power unless the story actually engages with it on a deeper level; maybe everything at play here can similarly be employed as shorthand on the way to a more specific story without itself being the point. I also wonder if maybe the short format makes me perceive a greater emphasis on structures (formal and in-story) while something longer might have played more like a character piece in which capitalism is a motivator but not quite a subject in itself.
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Re: The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2018)

#128 Post by knives »

For some reason I’ve been thinking about this one a lot lately and as each episode sings to me it seems a little more perfect full of strange moments and interesting themes. Even the ending I originally had issue with speaks to me with a sad sigh.
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Re: The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2018)

#129 Post by FrauBlucher »

This became one of my favorite Coen's after just one viewing.
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Re: The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2018)

#130 Post by Monterey Jack »

Where's the Goddamn Blu-Ray...?!
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Re: The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2018)

#131 Post by swo17 »

Actually, now I'm hopeful for a Criterion UHD
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Re: The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Joel & Ethan Coen, 2018)

#132 Post by therewillbeblus »

After revisiting this a few times over the last year, I've changed my tune and find myself enjoying more of the shorter segments than I did previously. So here's a ranking with some explanations

1. "The Ballad of Buster Scruggs" - This subtly has the 'meatiest' dialogue of the pack, all disguised under a funny, darkly cartoonish affair. I wish we got more mini-adventures with Nelson, who steals the movie with the best performance and most unexpected creative activity early on.
2. "Near Algodones" - Maybe the best use of irony in the bunch, but I also love Root's unpredictably agile foe and many of its surface-level pleasures. And after the "First time?" line (which I had imagined to be the cheeky moment the entire episode was build around), the Coens deliver the actual purpose of the episode with a final look out at the "beautiful" lady in the crowd before all goes dark. It's one of the Coens' most poignant existential ideas, so softly planted that I didn't notice it until my third or fourth watch.
3. "The Gal Who Got Rattled" - This used to edge out the rest, due in part to being the only segment with room to breathe, but I no longer hail it far above the others. Kazan is great, and it's admirably-painfully subverting a western narrative arc while staying true to its treatment of women, but there's also a lot of banal rumination as filler.
4. "All Gold Canyon" - This one never did much for me before, but I recently found myself amused at the mesh of humorous/somber tones when Waits is freaking out at the gall of the assailant and his luck with the bullet. It's a silly throwaway episode, otherwise.
5. "Meal Ticket" - This is more impressive than enjoyable. It's probably the 'deepest', most ambiguous, and least-handholding segment - but also the one with the least replay value. It should objectively be placed higher, but subjectively I'm mostly likely to tune out to this one today.
6. "The Mortal Remains" - A dense piece of stagecoach philosophizing packs a lot of the Coens' interests into a little space, and the results just don't gel. Everything about this 'should' work better than it does, but it reads like a rough draft. Still, it's one I return to each time hoping to connect with, as I continue to get the feeling that I'm missing something that's there. Or maybe it's merely something that 'should be' there...
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Re: The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Joel & Ethan Coen, 2018)

#133 Post by Mr Sausage »

therewillbeblus wrote:6. "The Mortal Remains" - A dense piece of stagecoach philosophizing packs a lot of the Coens' interests into a little space, and the results just don't gel. Everything about this 'should' work better than it does, but it reads like a rough draft. Still, it's one I return to each time hoping to connect with, as I continue to get the feeling that I'm missing something that's there. Or maybe it's merely something that 'should be' there...
Like a few of the other segments, this worked for me in how uncannily it captured a specific kind of midcentury American fiction. Growing up, I must've read a bunch of variations on this story in different anthologies from used bookstores or libraries. That the Coens were able to nail the specific tone of this era of storytelling while also making space for their particular voice is, for me, the triumph of this segment (and some of the others). Moreso than the specific content of the dialogue, which was more representative than revelatory. It's a very good example of control over style and tone. That might be the thing you feel you're missing. It's what brought the segment together for me, anyway. Without that, I could see that section provoking a 'well, ok' from me.
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Re: The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2018)

#134 Post by Monterey Jack »

Monterey Jack wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:52 am Where's the Goddamn Blu-Ray...?!
Four years later... :x
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