Re: Werner Herzog on DVD
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:43 pm
I recently bought that 10 disc "Special Edition" set and have spent the last few hours taking a look at its contents. I thought people would appreciate me telling them what's in it (since it doesn't say anywhere else, as I found out when I did some research pre-purchase).
It's possible that they correspond to previous releases by Shock Entertainment, like zedz says, but the discs themselves are newly made: they come in two normal-sized Amarays that hold five discs each, all discs are numbered (from 1 to 10), and when I take a look at the file structure, the video files were all created in July/August 2009.
Seven of the Australian discs hold all of the content of the 6 disc set that can be ordered from wernerherzog.com (plus Little Dieter Loves to Fly), but they're not identical. The films are spread differently around the set, and there are differences in both audio and subtitling.
I don't own the original (website) Herzog set, but as per this graphic, it seems to feature both German and English voice-over whenever both exist (and either German or English subtitles when there's only one audio stream); the Australian set doesn't give you an option: German-only films (and the two mostly French- and Greek-audio films) feature English subtitles, English-only films feature no subtitles at all, and for those films where two language versions exist, the set gives you only the English one without subtitles (even in those cases where, presumably, the German version would be the original). One (and if I might say so, particularly stupid) exception is Fata Morgana where the German and English voice-over play at the same time (with the English audio slightly louder). The Anchor Bay disc did that, too, but also had the German audio only as a separate stream.
Video quality wise, everything is watchable, but many films have heavy combing evident on a computer monitor. Wings of Hope is on its disc in two versions, a "theatrical version" of little more than an hour, and an even shorter "TV version." Both are fullscreen and with English-only voiceover. Little Dieter is in fullscreen, definitely cropped from the Anchor Bay set. Lessons of Darkness is in letterboxed widescreen. Everything else is in fullscreen (presumably the correct aspect ratio, since many of these films are TV documentaries). I didn't do any thorough checking regarding PAL/NTSC, but Little Dieter is about 7 minutes shorter compared to the NTSC Anchor Bay disc, so it's probably in PAL. I have (I think?) no way of checking whether there was a PAL->NTSC->PAL conversion.
The real value of the Australian Special Edition set is in the three additional discs, which feature documentaries that aren't on the original set and aren't as easily available.
I gather that two of those repeat content already available in an R4 release (Transformation of the World into Music, Gesualdo, Pilgrimage, Wheel of Time, and The White Diamond), but these new discs are all region-free. Again, these films are either German with English subtitles, or English with no subtitles. Transformation and Pilgrimage are widescreen, but letterboxed; the rest are in anamorphic widescreen.
The final disc holds Location Africa, a documentary on the making of Cobra Verde, and The Ball is a Scumbag, a film directed by Herzog's son. The first is German-only with no subtitles, the latter is a special case: it was clearly filmed in German, and from what I can gather, features only narration/dialogue by Werner Herzog and a friend of his. Herzog translates his own dialogue into English, while his friend is "voiced-over" by an (I think) American actor with a distinctive voice who sounds familiar, but whom I can't place at the moment. There are English intertitles which seem unnaturally spliced in.
That's not ideal, and in fact the audio/subtitling situation overall is my one big caveat (both for non-native speakers of English and those hard-of-hearing; and for Herzog purists, since some of his newer documentaries do have German narration by him, which is occasionally a bit different from the English version and would be nice to have as a bonus). But I can't really argue with the price of the set, compared to the six disc one from Herzog's website; I picked up the Australian set directly from the manufacturer for about 100 EUR, including shipping. (The booklet that is mentioned there is merely a list of the films contained on each individual DVD, plus some technical details – languages, aspect ratio – that don't appear to have been very thoroughly fact-checked.) That's not cheap, of course, but it is cheaper than buying from Herzog's website directly (where most of the bonus films are also available, at 25 EUR apiece).
All in all, this is not an ideal package, but it is an attractive option for Herzog fans with limited funds (a group that includes me).
It's possible that they correspond to previous releases by Shock Entertainment, like zedz says, but the discs themselves are newly made: they come in two normal-sized Amarays that hold five discs each, all discs are numbered (from 1 to 10), and when I take a look at the file structure, the video files were all created in July/August 2009.
Seven of the Australian discs hold all of the content of the 6 disc set that can be ordered from wernerherzog.com (plus Little Dieter Loves to Fly), but they're not identical. The films are spread differently around the set, and there are differences in both audio and subtitling.
I don't own the original (website) Herzog set, but as per this graphic, it seems to feature both German and English voice-over whenever both exist (and either German or English subtitles when there's only one audio stream); the Australian set doesn't give you an option: German-only films (and the two mostly French- and Greek-audio films) feature English subtitles, English-only films feature no subtitles at all, and for those films where two language versions exist, the set gives you only the English one without subtitles (even in those cases where, presumably, the German version would be the original). One (and if I might say so, particularly stupid) exception is Fata Morgana where the German and English voice-over play at the same time (with the English audio slightly louder). The Anchor Bay disc did that, too, but also had the German audio only as a separate stream.
Video quality wise, everything is watchable, but many films have heavy combing evident on a computer monitor. Wings of Hope is on its disc in two versions, a "theatrical version" of little more than an hour, and an even shorter "TV version." Both are fullscreen and with English-only voiceover. Little Dieter is in fullscreen, definitely cropped from the Anchor Bay set. Lessons of Darkness is in letterboxed widescreen. Everything else is in fullscreen (presumably the correct aspect ratio, since many of these films are TV documentaries). I didn't do any thorough checking regarding PAL/NTSC, but Little Dieter is about 7 minutes shorter compared to the NTSC Anchor Bay disc, so it's probably in PAL. I have (I think?) no way of checking whether there was a PAL->NTSC->PAL conversion.
The real value of the Australian Special Edition set is in the three additional discs, which feature documentaries that aren't on the original set and aren't as easily available.
I gather that two of those repeat content already available in an R4 release (Transformation of the World into Music, Gesualdo, Pilgrimage, Wheel of Time, and The White Diamond), but these new discs are all region-free. Again, these films are either German with English subtitles, or English with no subtitles. Transformation and Pilgrimage are widescreen, but letterboxed; the rest are in anamorphic widescreen.
The final disc holds Location Africa, a documentary on the making of Cobra Verde, and The Ball is a Scumbag, a film directed by Herzog's son. The first is German-only with no subtitles, the latter is a special case: it was clearly filmed in German, and from what I can gather, features only narration/dialogue by Werner Herzog and a friend of his. Herzog translates his own dialogue into English, while his friend is "voiced-over" by an (I think) American actor with a distinctive voice who sounds familiar, but whom I can't place at the moment. There are English intertitles which seem unnaturally spliced in.
That's not ideal, and in fact the audio/subtitling situation overall is my one big caveat (both for non-native speakers of English and those hard-of-hearing; and for Herzog purists, since some of his newer documentaries do have German narration by him, which is occasionally a bit different from the English version and would be nice to have as a bonus). But I can't really argue with the price of the set, compared to the six disc one from Herzog's website; I picked up the Australian set directly from the manufacturer for about 100 EUR, including shipping. (The booklet that is mentioned there is merely a list of the films contained on each individual DVD, plus some technical details – languages, aspect ratio – that don't appear to have been very thoroughly fact-checked.) That's not cheap, of course, but it is cheaper than buying from Herzog's website directly (where most of the bonus films are also available, at 25 EUR apiece).
All in all, this is not an ideal package, but it is an attractive option for Herzog fans with limited funds (a group that includes me).