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Re: 171 Contempt

Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 3:12 pm
by dwk
I assume, like the other StudioCanal titles, the Lionsgate disc will be a direct port of the European disc. So, if SC doesn't screw up, it should be fine. Still, it is a little odd and disappointing that Lionsgate held on to this.

Re: 171 Contempt

Posted: Sun May 07, 2023 8:59 am
by rrenault
To be fair, Canal's non-FiM UHD releases have certainly improved. The Piano, The Driver, The Man Who Fell to Earth, and Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie have all been more or less fine.

Re: 171 Contempt

Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 8:35 pm
by Finch

Re: 171 Contempt

Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 3:32 am
by Rupert Pupkin
so no Criterion release of Contempt ? I still have the DVD and its gorgeous cover; I still remember when it was announced on criterion.com (it was planned to be released and among the Criterion titles of the months) and removed at the very last minute.

Re: 171 Contempt

Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 11:11 am
by Graham
Finch wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 8:35 pm trailer for the restoration
Dr Svet is already upset about this (see the comments on the Blu-ray.com news story). To be fair, I can see what he means but mostly this trailer looks great to my eyes. Whites are white, for instance.

Re: 171 Contempt

Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 2:20 pm
by tenia
Not surprised by his reaction to something that indeed seems quite non-signed, since that's his main issue right now : not making enough differences between obvious offenders and stuff quite right but slightly debatable still.

He had the same reaction with Jeanne la pucelle and Le hussard sur le toit (or maybe it was Cyrano de Bergerac) based on their trailers, and, well, maybe he should refrain judging restorations based on their trailers since he's not good at it.

Re: 171 Contempt

Posted: Sat May 13, 2023 4:29 pm
by colinr0380
Not that it particularly means anything but that trailer made me unreasonably annoyed without thinking about any restoration issues! Aside from the incongruous musical score slathered all over that trailer, how could they ruin that "Get into your Alfa, Romeo" pun!

Re: 171 Contempt

Posted: Sat May 13, 2023 4:56 pm
by ianthemovie
colinr0380 wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 4:29 pm Not that it particularly means anything but that trailer made me unreasonably annoyed without thinking about any restoration issues! Aside from the incongruous musical score slathered all over that trailer, how could they ruin that "Get into your Alfa, Romeo" pun!
I had the same reaction to the music. This film has one of the most sublime scores ever written and they opted not to feature it? It's bizarre enough to make me wonder if there's some arcane legal clause preventing them from doing so.

Re: 171 Contempt

Posted: Sat May 13, 2023 5:17 pm
by Rayon Vert
I'm keen on seeing if this corrects the use of shots of another print in the previous 2010 Lionsgate Studio Canal release that were quite jarring.

From blu-ray.com:
Before the opening credits, a disclaimer pops up that reads, "The original cut of this film contains scenes that are missing from the English version. We now present these scenes with their original soundtrack and English subtitles." From the looks of it, these scenes were sourced from entirely different elements than the rest of the film, having a softer, flatter, almost- duped look that makes them stand out oddly. That said, there are only a few of these scenes—all quite short—and I appreciate having a more complete cut of the film.
The highdefdigest.com review was a lot more merciless on the entire experience with the video and fits my own impression:
What the hell happened here? This disc looks terrible. Absolutely terrible. If the Studio Canal Collection is meant to be a competitor to the Criterion Collection, Studio Canal should at least attempt to match the quality standards that Criterion employs. It hasn't even tried. Comparing 'Contempt' to Criterion's release of Godard's 'Pierrot le fou' shows a night-and-day difference in how the two movies have been treated.

'Contempt' opens with a disclaimer that some footage that was previously cut from American releases of the film has been restored. The American theatrical release in 1964 was trimmed of about a minute from the original 103 minute length. One might be willing to forgive Studio Canal if that restored footage were in a little rougher condition than the rest of the movie. It's a lot harder to forgive when the entire movie regularly experiences dramatic drops in picture quality, often shot-for-shot within scenes. Much of the film is soft and faded, and looks like a multi-generation dupe print.
I felt stuck with a very good Criterion release that was nevertheless just DVD quality, and this thing which tantalized with superior detail overall as a blu-ray presentation but offered such a visually changing and distracted one that it took you completely out of the movie. (This is a meta-movie, but I don't think Godard had that meta intention.)

So if this release has some slight color grading issues but none of the issues of the previous SC release, it'll be a godsend.

Re: 171 Contempt

Posted: Sat May 13, 2023 7:27 pm
by therewillbeblus
Graham wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 11:11 am
Finch wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 8:35 pm trailer for the restoration
this trailer looks great to my eyes. Whites are white, for instance.
Unlike most, I didn't have a problem with the old SC transfer, but this does indeed look terrific. I was happy to sell off my SC blu, since I imagine they'll port over the same features for the upgrade?

Re: 171 Contempt

Posted: Sat May 13, 2023 9:31 pm
by ianthemovie
therewillbeblus wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 7:27 pm Unlike most, I didn't have a problem with the old SC transfer, but this does indeed look terrific. I was happy to sell off my SC blu, since I imagine they'll port over the same features for the upgrade?
It looks like the special features will be different, according to Home Theater Forum:

SPECIAL FEATURES

Il était une fois… Le Mépris (52mn) on the Blu-ray UHD

An introduction by Colin MacCabe (6mn) UHD

Paparazzi by Jacques Rozier (22mn)

Le parti des choses by Jacques Rozier (10mn)

Re: 171 Contempt

Posted: Sat May 13, 2023 9:35 pm
by therewillbeblus
Wow, even better - the Rozier shorts are fun!

Re: 171 Contempt

Posted: Sun May 14, 2023 12:21 am
by ianthemovie
That's encouraging; I'm not familiar with Rozier. I'll probably hang onto my SC disc for the two Fritz Lang interviews and the "Contempt...Tenderly" documentary featurette that appear to have been dropped from this edition.

Re: 171 Contempt

Posted: Sun May 14, 2023 1:06 am
by swo17
The Rozier shorts were on the Criterion release

Re: 171 Contempt

Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 10:31 pm
by rrenault
Are the source materials for this film just in poor shape, because I saw the new 4K restoration today in the cinema and was admittedly somewhat disappointed. I can only presume issues with the source materials are partly to blame here.

Also, some sections of the film still look completely unrestored in the new restoration for whatever reason. As an example, refer to the snippet between roughly the 27:40 and 28:00 marks per the Criterion Channel stream of the film.

Re: 171 Contempt

Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 9:16 pm
by edmoney
rrenault wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 10:31 pm Are the source materials for this film just in poor shape, because I saw the new 4K restoration today in the cinema and was admittedly somewhat disappointed. I can only presume issues with the source materials are partly to blame here.

Also, some sections of the film still look completely unrestored in the new restoration for whatever reason. As an example, refer to the snippet between roughly the 27:40 and 28:00 marks per the Criterion Channel stream of the film.
That's disappointing to hear, as the upcoming 4K UHD is my most anticipated release of the year. Can you address the positives that you saw in the new restoration? Aside from the sections that look unrestored (and presumably looking the same as the previous master on the old SC disc), hopefully the new restoration doesn't mess anything up and take any steps backwards from the previous master.