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I was so excited that a 4K release had leaked and now I'm going to invoke the elder gods instead.

ellipsis7 wrote:Oh dear oh dear... I suppose it was inevitable...

Thanks for drawing my attention to this - director Tom Shankland is a former flatmate of mine, and so I can confirm first-hand that he knows his Italian cinema (and wider Italian culture in general). So I’ll be genuinely interested to see this.

I’ve looked at several articles and still can’t figure out if this is being produced in English or Italian. It has a very pretty Italian cast but am less interested if they’re all going to be speaking their lines in phonetic English. Maybe they’ll just do like the Visconti film and have everyone speak their native language on set and dub it all in post.

The Leopard is a great candidate to be updated to UHD, don't you think?
For the current BluRay edition they didn't take the best transfer available then, thanks to Martin Scorsese's Film Foundation restoration.
So.. the new Netflix series is a good commercial excuse to re-release the old movie

This might have been mentioned earlier in this thread -- a description of the pre-Cannes festival cut of The Leopard, including scenes with Marxist content:
https://www.corriere.it/spettacoli/13_o ... 875c.shtml

I don´t know if the Marxist scenes were the same that Fred Holywell linked to in a post in this thread in Nov. 2017. These scenes are now taken down from YT. These scenes are included in a documentary, The Two Leopards, by Anile and Giannice, released in 2013 along with the Film Foundation restoration.

Text in Corriere della Sera references a book by Anile and Giannice, Operazione Gattopardo, with indepth analysis of novel, book, screenplay and film versions. A second revised edition (cover features a production shot of Lancaster and Carsinale dancing) is now out:
https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cultur ... c1653.html
https://books.google.it/books?id=tv4ZBg ... r_versions
https://www.amazon.it/Operazione-Gattop ... B00RNA7DWI
https://www.feltrinellieditore.it/opera ... attopardo/
https://www.feltrinellieditore.it/opera ... topardo-1/

Also relevant:
https://ricerca.repubblica.it/repubblic ... -vide.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20181104211 ... gattopardo

Fred Holywell wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:39 pm
And for devoted fans of the picture, you might want to discover three scenes deleted from the Italian, English, etc. cuts of the movie. The French distributor Pathe held on to these brief clips, and added them to a previous dvd edition.

The scenes themselves don't go far in developing the film's many plot lines, but they do add some local color with Don Calogero and the peasants, as well as Prince Salina and the obnoxious Colonel Pallavicino at the ball. They all have English subtitles.

Deleted Scenes: 1 - 2 - 3

Which Pathé DVD edition of Le Guépard has the deleted scenes described above?
Many thanks in advance for any information!

Stefan Andersson wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 5:15 pm

Fred Holywell wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:39 pm
And for devoted fans of the picture, you might want to discover three scenes deleted from the Italian, English, etc. cuts of the movie. The French distributor Pathe held on to these brief clips, and added them to a previous dvd edition.

The scenes themselves don't go far in developing the film's many plot lines, but they do add some local color with Don Calogero and the peasants, as well as Prince Salina and the obnoxious Colonel Pallavicino at the ball. They all have English subtitles.

Deleted Scenes: 1 - 2 - 3

Which Pathé DVD edition of Le Guépard has the deleted scenes described above?
Many thanks in advance for any information!

The three scenes are on the 20 year old Pathé Le Guépard DVD. I know they're on the two-disc Édition Collector, which I have, and assume the same holds true for the one-disc Édition Simple. The scenes are integrated into the French cut of the film on the DVD, not provided as "deleted scene" extras.

The three clips have been reposted here: deleted French scenes

Fred Holywell wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:22 am

Stefan Andersson wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 5:15 pm

Fred Holywell wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:39 pm
And for devoted fans of the picture, you might want to discover three scenes deleted from the Italian, English, etc. cuts of the movie. The French distributor Pathe held on to these brief clips, and added them to a previous dvd edition.

The scenes themselves don't go far in developing the film's many plot lines, but they do add some local color with Don Calogero and the peasants, as well as Prince Salina and the obnoxious Colonel Pallavicino at the ball. They all have English subtitles.

Deleted Scenes: 1 - 2 - 3

Which Pathé DVD edition of Le Guépard has the deleted scenes described above?
Many thanks in advance for any information!

The three scenes are on the 20 year old Pathé Le Guépard DVD. I know they're on the two-disc Édition Collector, which I have, and assume the same holds true for the one-disc Édition Simple. The scenes are integrated into the French cut of the film on the DVD, not provided as "deleted scene" extras.

Many thanks again for this information and for the link above to the re-posted deleted scenes!

I don't think the ghost of Visconti will have anything to worry about in terms of his version being eclipsed...

Well it's probably rather just as much intended as another adaptation of the already quite famous Lampedusa novel. I'm not saying it'll surpass Visconti's version. It probably won't, but I preferred Steven Zaillian's Ripley to Purple Noon. Just saying...

That’s okay, because I’m saying it. A Netflix production is not going to be better than Visconti’s film. This does not require hedging.

Altair wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:38 pm I don't think the ghost of Visconti will have anything to worry about in terms of his version being eclipsed...

If he wants to go full Poltergeist on Netflix then I'm not going to protest.

That explains Helmut Berger in the thumbnail for Hot Frosty

It does seem like such a wasted opportunity - Ripley worked because it wasn't a remake of the film, but rather a re-interpretation of the novel. This just appears the most boring, straightforward adaption of Lampedusa's work imaginable. Les Mis but in Sicily this time.

there is a surprisingly high amount of people who go "oh period piece!!" on Netflix and throw it on as background stuff. the amount of people who do this but will never look at the original film...well, I guess I should try to not get upset over it

Altair wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:53 pm It does seem like such a wasted opportunity - Ripley worked because it wasn't a remake of the film, but rather a re-interpretation of the novel. This just appears the most boring, straightforward adaption of Lampedusa's work imaginable. Les Mis but in Sicily this time.

I'm all for re-interpreting novels if it's clear what's being done, even if there is an earlier film adaptation. but that's clearly not at all what's being done here

domino harvey wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:52 pm That’s okay, because I’m saying it. A Netflix production is not going to be better than Visconti’s film. This does not require hedging.

"Is this a remake or the original classic with Burt Lancaster? And classic score by Ennio Morricone." sums up the Netflix audience perfectly.

I'd use a lot of words to describe Visconti's film or the novel "sensuous" is not one of them.

domino harvey wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:52 pm That’s okay, because I’m saying it. A Netflix production is not going to be better than Visconti’s film. This does not require hedging.

No disagreement there. Although Ripley, incidentally, wasn't technically a Netflix production now that I realize it. I think it was actually made by Showtime (just like that 17-hour David Lynch film), but the distribution rights ended up with Netflix afterwards somehow.

Vertically integrated streaming services (Max, Disney+, et al) have become such a boondoggle that it's become more lucrative for studios to sell or license movies and TV shows to other streamers than to put them on their own services. It's one of the reasons you can find tons of Warner Bros. movies on Tubi that are not on Warner's own Max service. We're back to the broadcast TV model.