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Re: Tom Cruise the new Michael Jackson?
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 6:11 pm
by Donald Trampoline
My friend Mike makes a compelling
counter-argument for Tom Cruise's supremacy.
Am I convinced? Hmm.....
(This is a clip from a longer film I posted some time ago in Our Films/Our Scripts, but I just created this shorter snippet yesterday. I should re-film to add Cronenberg to the long list of great directors who for some reason want to work with Cruise.)
No, I don't really like Tom Cruise even though Mike really does.
Re: The Non-Political News and Current Events Discussion Thr
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:39 pm
by domino harvey
Re: The Non-Political News and Current Events Discussion Thr
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:49 pm
by Drucker
I guess Rock of Ages really was that bad.
Re: Tom Cruise the new Michael Jackson?
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:14 pm
by Matt
Looks like
the contract finally expired or Katie exercised the escape clause. Hope everybody got what they wanted.
Re: Tom Cruise the new Michael Jackson?
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:21 pm
by hearthesilence
Some amusing tweets:
So Tom Cruise took a shave.
Tom Cruise to replace Katie Holmes with Maggie Gyllenhaal
someone calling himself "HAL 9000": Mimi Rogers 1956; Nicole Kidman 1967; Katie Holmes 1978 - my supercomputer analysis says Tom Cruise's next wife was born in 1989
Re: Tom Cruise the new Michael Jackson?
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:16 pm
by Highway 61
The article says Holmes is seeking sole custody, which seems totally unrealistic unless she has evidence of Cruise having a Gibsonian meltdown.
Re: Tom Cruise the new Michael Jackson?
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:19 pm
by warren oates
I'm just hoping this eventually prompts some major Scientology disclosures. I can never get enough of those. And Paul Haggis'/Lawrence Wright's tell-all book is taking too long.
Re: Tom Cruise the new Michael Jackson?
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:40 am
by R0lf
She'll get sole custody because Chris Klein is Suri's biological father...
Re: Tom Cruise the new Michael Jackson?
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:28 am
by hearthesilence
warren oates wrote:I'm just hoping this eventually prompts some major Scientology disclosures. I can never get enough of those. And Paul Haggis'/Lawrence Wright's tell-all book is taking too long.
You may get your wish. If Holmes has any chance in hell in getting full custody, she can't pull her punches if Scientology's the big reason. I don't know how else she can make it happen.
Re: Tom Cruise the new Michael Jackson?
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:46 am
by mfunk9786
Highway 61 wrote:The article says Holmes is seeking sole custody, which seems totally unrealistic unless she has evidence of Cruise having a Gibsonian meltdown.
Certainly seems more and more like either something awful happened (either with or without Scientology being involved):
Holmes rented an apartment in NYC on the sly to establish residency because the state has more friendly laws with regards to attaining sole custody.
TMZ sources speculate that Holmes is leaving because she doesn't want her daughter raised in Scientology. Well,
no fucking wonder.
Re: Tom Cruise the new Michael Jackson?
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:42 pm
by mfunk9786
TMZ is reporting that
Katie Holmes is indeed filing for sole custody to keep Suri from being shipped off to the Sea Org. For those not familiar with the Sea Org, it's a tax exempt child labor camp that is still operating in the United States in 2012 somehow, that requires a 'billion year pledge' from small children in order to join up and very little chance of escape (not being dramatic, there is literally very little chance of escape).
Re: Tom Cruise
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:02 pm
by hearthesilence
Man, if TMZ takes down Scientology by using its popularity to educate people on what it's about, I will take back every criticism I've ever thrown at it.
Re: Tom Cruise the new Michael Jackson?
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:52 pm
by matrixschmatrix
It's not just small children- I have a friend who was raised by scientologists, and he and his sister were both heavily recruited for it at around 15. He actually signed the contract, too, but they actually demanded that he denounce his aunt (who works for the IRS) and agree never to speak to her again before he shipped out, which he refused to do.
As I understand it, Sea Org is legal because it's largely in international waters- the name isn't an accident. It's scary as hell.
Re: Tom Cruise
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:59 pm
by warren oates
I live within spitting distance of PAC Base, the mothership HQ, their big blue compound in Hollywood, so my interest in the cult isn't merely academic. I see Sea Org members walking around there all the time.
I can imagine any settlement of the divorce/custody dispute requiring a complicated binding non-disclosure on Holmes, so she won't be free to dish on the Church. I'm almost hoping that Cruise and Scientology miscalculate, force an all-out war and thereby turn the spotlight light on themselves as never before.
For anyone who can't wait, there's always Janet Reitman's excellent and comprehensive book
Inside Scientology and the Paul Haggis/Lawrence Wright
New Yorker piece
"The Apostate" that's still available free on-line.
And of course Paul Thomas Anderson's upcoming film
The Master, which looks to be about the most fascinating moment in any charisma-based totalitarian organization:
the passage of power from the original founder/leader to his protege. In Scientology's case from L. Ron Hubbard to David Miscavige.
Re: Tom Cruise
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:11 pm
by matrixschmatrix
Can we just have a thread in which to endlessly gossip about Scientology? Because having seen people's lives ruined by it (my friend and his siblings were are criminally neglected as children because their parents were doing dollar a week work for the Scientologists, except the youngest whom they are currently trying to snare at a Study Tech school) the sort of queasy fascination about it I've always had borders on an obsession at this point.
Re: Tom Cruise
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:29 am
by domino harvey
Look around, I can't imagine a more appropriate place for such things!
Re: Tom Cruise
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:32 am
by ianungstad
I don't personally buy into the idea that Tom and Katie's divorce is over religion. The whole religious debate in the media almost hinges on you believing that it was a real marriage in the first place. This always struck me as simply being a beard relationship. I wouldn't be surprised if Katie wanted to leave after realizing that the marriage wasn't going to reboot her career or provide her whatever benefits she thought she would get from the arrangement. I'm sure the church is a huge hassle to deal with but she knew that going in to the relationship. John Travolta has had his own set of scandals as of late. I was just at the grocery store and one of the tabloids had a front page cover story about the possibility of a Preston/Travolta divorce. The tabloids devour every piece of salacious gossip they can get their hands on but they turn a blind eye and even encourage this bearding nonsense. I don't get it.
Re: Tom Cruise the new Michael Jackson?
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:41 pm
by Andre Jurieu
R0lf wrote:She'll get sole custody because Chris Klein is Suri's biological father...
You're probably right (I always just assumed it as fact), but I'm sure the Cruise-Holmes pre-nup - which was likely handled by Scientology lawyers - probably negated any potential of her using that fact within a custody case. I have a feeling, for any legal proceeding concerning their "marriage", Cruise is considered Suri's father under all circumstances.
Re: Tom Cruise
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:37 pm
by warren oates
TMZ and everyone else is reporting this divorce settled. Phew! That was quick! Very sad to say that sanity seems to have won the day in the Cruise/Miscavige corner. Holmes seems like quite the victorious poker player to me now. She likely got exactly what she wanted with some gesture of superficial face-saving custodial jointness for Tom's image. But we won't know... at least for years or decades. Maybe eventually some leakers close to her will proxy up some of the weirdest and dirtiest tales of the young Sea Org training that Suri will now avoid.
Re: Tom Cruise
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:16 pm
by matrixschmatrix
Wasn't the legal divorce with Kidman settled with apparent amicability, followed by the Scientologists brainwashing the adopted children during Cruise's tenure of custody? Hopefully that doesn't happen here.
Assuming it doesn't, good for Holmes and good for her daughter, but I'll admit I was kind of hoping for a big public expose.
Re: Tom Cruise
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:23 pm
by warren oates
The Los Angeles Times reports that Holmes was as crafty as she appeared
The agreement provides Cruise with visitation rights but gives Holmes the lead role in choosing how Suri will be educated, a source said Monday...Holmes wanted guarantees in the settlement to ensure nothing is done while their daughter is with Cruise that would "alienate" Suri from her, the sources said.
Apparently that language was chosen specifically because courts do not rule on the merits of any given "religion" in clashes over the spiritual education of a child. However, given Scientology's virulent attitude toward outsiders and apostates, this language all but guarantees that Suri will be free from the Church's grasp.
Turns out Holmes' father, who advised her, is a veteran divorce attorney known for his aggressiveness. She also used a disposable burner cellphone (very
The Wire) to meticulously plan her escape and legal representation in secret before she broke the news to Tom.
Re: Tom Cruise
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:40 pm
by mfunk9786
I want to give Katie Holmes a big hug today for different reasons than I had 10 years ago
Re: Tom Cruise
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:48 pm
by Andre Jurieu
mfunk9786 wrote:I want to give Katie Holmes a big hug today for different reasons than I had 10 years ago
Agreed! I also keep picturing her bust apart the burner with her hands like she's Mike from
Breaking Bad. This might be viewed as the greatest performance within her career.
Re: Tom Cruise
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:13 pm
by flyonthewall2983
Not to get off-tangent here, but Fring had the best burner-busting scene.
Re: Tom Cruise
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:14 pm
by warren oates
Tom Cruise Worships David Miscavige Like a God. New details from a prominent Scientology defector in the
Village Voice.
And a related post about the Church's secret prison.