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Re: Olive Films
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:55 pm
by NABOB OF NOWHERE
I skimmed through this until I came across this inane comment-"Maurice Pialat's films do not have elaborate music scores. In Police, only at the end there is beautiful ambient music theme that comes up for a couple of minutes."
It is Gorecki's 3rd Symphony, 7 years before its 'breakthrough' and best seller status.
Maybe the prick who wrote this should give 'A nos Amours' a spin to sample Pialat's use of Klaus Naomi's interpretation of Purcell ... for starters.
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:00 pm
by Costa
I wanted to buy the Signature Quiet Man now, so that it comes here until St. Patrick's Day and I'm furious it's currently avaiable at amazon only for prime members!
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:51 am
by Shrew
You can still buy it from one of the other sellers (including importcds, forum's preferred olive dealer) and it should be there on time. But yes, weird and douchey move by Amazon.
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:54 am
by domino harvey
Amazon is having a feud with Olive, most of their releases have been out of stock for the last month. It's actually been a boon for me finally getting rid of some Olive titles on the Marketplace, though!
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:07 am
by Costa
Shrew wrote:You can still buy it from one of the other sellers (including importcds, forum's preferred olive dealer) and it should be there on time. But yes, weird and douchey move by Amazon.
well, it's much more expensive for me (the shipping) who live in Europe.
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:02 pm
by dwk
Looks like Olive is the mystery US company that has the Walerian Borowczyk films and they are releasing them in April:
Walerian Borowczyk Short Film Collection
EXTRAS
• Introduction by filmmaker Terry Gilliam
• Film is not a Sausage: Borowczyk’s Short Films – Interview program featuring Borowczyk, producer Dominique Duvergé-Ségrétin, assistant André Heinrich and composer Bernard Parmegiani
Featuring fifteen of Walerian Borowczyk’s (Theatre of Mr. & Mrs. Kabal) short films and animated treasures, the Short Films Collection includes:
The Concert (1962) aka Le Concert de M. et Mme. Kabal
The Astronauts (1959) aka Les Astronautes
Angels’ Games (1964) aka Les Jeux des Anges
Renaissance (1963)
Joachim’s Dictionary (1965) aka Le Dictionnaire de Joachim
The Greatest Love of All Time (1978) aka L’Amour Monstre de tous les temps
Diptyque (1967)
Grandma’s Encyclopedia (1963) aka L’encyclopedie de Grand-Maman
Venus on the Half-Shell (1975) aka Escargot de Venus
Gavotte (1967)
The Phonograph (1969) aka Le Phonograph
Rosalie (1966)
Scherzo Infernal (1984)
A Private Collection Uncensored aka Une Collection Particulière – Uncensored (1973)
A Private Collection Short Version aka Une Collection Particulière – Short Version (1973)
Blanche
EXTRAS
• Introduction by director Leslie Megahey
• Ballad of Imprisonment: Blanche – Interview program featuring producer Dominique Duvergé-Ségrétin, assistant director André Heinrich, camera operator Noël Véry and assistant Patrice Leconte
Goto Island of Love
EXTRAS
• Introduction by artist and Turner Prize nominee Craigie Horsfield
• The Concentration Universe: Goto, Isle of Love – Interview program featuring actor Jean-Pierre Andréani, co-writer Dominique Duvergé-Ségrétin, cameraman Noël Véry and camera assistant Jean-Pierre Platel
Theatre of Mr. and Mrs. Kabal
(No extras listed)
and the non-Borowczyk releases for April:
Ophelia (Claude Chabrol)
World's Most Beautiful Swindlers
NOTE: The Amsterdam segment, A River of Diamonds (directed by Roman Polanski), which was featured in original theatrical release of The World’s Most Beautiful Swindlers, has been removed from presentations of the film at the request of the director.
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:05 pm
by domino harvey
Jesus, those last two were amongst the first announcements of forthcoming Olive releases... as in, when the label actually started. Can't wait!
EDIT: What a bunch of bullshit that they removed the Polanski segment. Something to do with his ex-gf who stars in it?
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:07 pm
by knives
And I assume they mean beastiality intact by uncensored.
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:11 pm
by dwk
I don't know how they could. I assume that there is an even more censored cut and the uncensored is uncut except for that.
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:12 pm
by knives
It seems to suggest that it is the uncensored version of the uncensored cut.
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:14 pm
by domino harvey
I mean, they're busy editing out the best segment of a portmanteau film they've been sitting on for almost a decade, I wouldn't take anything for granted
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:17 pm
by MichaelB
knives wrote:It seems to suggest that it is the uncensored version of the uncensored cut.
If it is, they'd have to have gone back to 35mm basics and rescanned the original neg, as Arrow had to censor their digital master for legal reasons. This isn't normal or desirable practice, obviously, but since even
possession of unsimulated bestiality footage is illegal in the UK, they didn't have a choice.
So if they used the Arrow master, it will be the same presentation with the four contentious shots blacked out.
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:24 pm
by swo17
I wonder if they realize that, in theory, this would be a huge selling point. In theory.
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:28 pm
by knives
swo17 wrote:I wonder if they realize that, in theory, this would be a huge selling point. In theory.
Probably not. Thanks Michael for the explanation. I assumed that the black box was done in house meaning Arrow's master scan wouldn't have that. Interesting how these things work out.
Bring on another Chabrol though!
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:01 am
by Minkin
Nevermind
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:51 am
by MichaelB
IFC had nothing to do with this package - Olive licensed it directly from Ligia Borowczyk and Argos Films. IFC only ever had the US rights to Immoral Tales and The Beast. I've no idea where the "all but guaranteed to come from Criterion" rumour came from, but then again I've known about the Olive deal for something like two or three years now, so this was clearly never going to happen.
In fact, this is one of the reasons why we crammed as many non-film-specific extras from the big box onto the US editions of Immoral Tales and The Beast as we could - we had to reauthor those discs anyway to remove the original supporting shorts, and we knew that Arrow wouldn't be able to release Blanche et al, so it made sense to port across things like the big Borowczyk interview from that disc.
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:18 am
by Minkin
MichaelB wrote:IFC had nothing to do with this package - Olive licensed it directly from Ligia Borowczyk and Argos Films. IFC only ever had the US rights to Immoral Tales and The Beast. I've no idea where the "all but guaranteed to come from Criterion" rumour came from, but then again I've known about the Olive deal for something like two or three years now, so this was clearly never going to happen.
My apologies, I mixed up the two films that IFC licensed with these Olive titles. Carry on, and ignore my previous post!
I must've been very confused, as it appears Arrow US already released these (IFC's rights were only for streaming then?).
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:33 am
by spectre
MichaelB wrote:knives wrote:It seems to suggest that it is the uncensored version of the uncensored cut.
If it is, they'd have to have gone back to 35mm basics and rescanned the original neg, as Arrow had to censor their digital master for legal reasons. This isn't normal or desirable practice, obviously, but since even
possession of unsimulated bestiality footage is illegal in the UK, they didn't have a choice.
So if they used the Arrow master, it will be the same presentation with the four contentious shots blacked out.
Well, we, er, wait with bated breath for the news.
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:00 am
by perkizitore
MichaelB wrote:IFC had nothing to do with this package - Olive licensed it directly from Ligia Borowczyk and Argos Films. IFC only ever had the US rights to Immoral Tales and The Beast. I've no idea where the "all but guaranteed to come from Criterion" rumour came from, but then again I've known about the Olive deal for something like two or three years now, so this was clearly never going to happen.
In fact, this is one of the reasons why we crammed as many non-film-specific extras from the big box onto the US editions of Immoral Tales and The Beast as we could - we had to reauthor those discs anyway to remove the original supporting shorts, and we knew that Arrow wouldn't be able to release Blanche et al, so it made sense to port across things like the big Borowczyk interview from that disc.
who has the uk rights for Blanche?
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:53 am
by MichaelB
Arrow, obviously. It came out three years ago.
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:32 pm
by dwk
Olive issued a correction about their A Private Collection announcement:
Correction issued for one of the blue in the Olive Films April announcement!
Correction:
To clarify some confusion involving the announcement made on Friday, Olive Films has issued a correction to the DVD and Blu-ray of Walerian Borowczyk - Short Films.
Please change all instances of:
"A Private Collection Uncensored aka Une Collection Particulière – Uncensored (1973)"
to
"A Private Collection Long Version Censored aka Une Collection Particulière – Version Longue Censored (1973)"
Though the short in question is the long cut of A Private Collection with a running time of 14:20, we are releasing the censored version in accordance with our licensed material and previously released DVD and Blu-ray versions.
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:22 pm
by MichaelB
Not remotely surprising. I know bestiality laws vary from state to state, but Olive doesn't strike me as the kind of label who'd be comfortable about distributing such material.
(The four shots in question consist of close-ups of a dog fucking a woman, clearly for real. I was hoping to get away with blurring or pixelation, but the BBFC advised me that this was a legal grey area, so we ended up blacking out the shots altogether so as not to mess up the editing rhythms.)
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:30 pm
by spectre
Well, that's disappointing (but I suppose to be expected). Where are all the hardcore libertarians when one needs them? I certainly sympathise with the view that this sort of unsavoury material is best kept out of the market with no exceptions, but censorship is still censorship and clearly it defeats the director's intention for this (what, century-old?) footage to be blacked out. I guess it's fair to presume now that an uncensored version will never see the light of day.
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:42 pm
by MichaelB
One thing that's worth bearing in mind is that there's no evidence that Borowczyk ever intended this version of the film to get commercial distribution - it was made purely to shock film festival audiences.
He knew perfectly well that it was most likely legally undistributable, which is why he not only made two versions but planned from the outset that this would be the case (since in some cases he shot different versions of various shots - for instance, thumbs obscuring forbidden body parts that are fully exposed in the longer cut).
Re: Olive Films
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:22 am
by whaleallright
it was made purely to shock film festival audiences.
This reminds me of an infamous event from the Giornate del Cinema Muto, when several patrons fled a late-night screening of some vintage pornographic films (the exact contents of the screening were unadvertised) when one of the films featured a woman—how shall I put this?—fucking a duck.