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Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:30 pm
by mteller
mfunk9786 wrote:The "fuck you, you have to pay extra if you want the documentary" edition
Is that so horrible? It seems like a pretty fair deal to me. HEARTS OF DARKNESS is an entire extra movie, it's not a 10-minute EPK fluff piece they can tack on to the disc. I imagine a lot of people won't want the doc. I think it's nice they're presenting both options.

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:34 pm
by JMULL222
Exactly. Though it's "Heart of Darkness" teller.... don't even tease us about a "Fitzcarraldo" blu with "Burden of Dreams" intact. Don't even joke.

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:35 pm
by Alphonse Doinel
Excellent news. Just put the dvd on Amazon.

Wonder if 2.39:1 is a misprint.

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:02 pm
by mteller
JMULL222 wrote:Exactly. Though it's "Heart of Darkness" teller.... don't even tease us about a "Fitzcarraldo" blu with "Burden of Dreams" intact. Don't even joke.
Whoops sorry. I dunno how I transposed those two, still waking up I guess.

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:40 pm
by Cinephrenic
Burden of Dreams was a better film than Fitzcarraldo. More epic, I should say. This is great news guys.

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:54 pm
by JMULL222
I love Burden of Dreams, but Fitzcarraldo is one of my favorite pictures ever, hand down. Pure auteurist cinema. Incomprehensibly ambitious without a Chris Nolan size budget, excellent acting, and emotional range (culminating in the perfect last scene) I cannot transcribe.

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:03 pm
by Finch
If you were thinking of getting Universal Germany's BD of The Game, think again. The first review is out:
- picture lacks details
- edges are quite soft
- there is a mixture of a little bit film grain with video nois and static noise visible (-> quite old transfer)
- no sense of 3-dimensional depth
o DOP Harris Savides treated night scenes with the ENR process
o a restauration in the style of “Minority Report” would be appropriate
+ black level is quite solid
- rear effects are a bit subdued
+ English track offers a better channel separation, a clearer sound field and a more precise and powerful bass
Unfortunately Universal used a very old master for this BD. The image is quite soft and lacks details. DNR was also used. Then edge enhancement was applied to re-sharpen the picture. The sound is a bit front heavy and the sound field is not very clean. Despite the fact that Universal did release a special edition DVD there is no bonus material at all on this disc. So why is Universal releasing this BD?

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:22 pm
by swo17
Didn't Criterion hint a while back that this would be coming?

EDIT: Yes, they did.

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:28 pm
by nsps
Sounds like Universal Germany's edition is the same transfer from the HD DVD edition. You'd have to think that Criterion or SOMEONE is creating an improved version simply based on the amount of time that's passed since the format war ended. (Although I must admit, I'm often surprised to hear about new blu-ray releases that I've had on HD DVD for ages and simply assumed were already out on blu.)

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:45 am
by Noiretirc
I still don't own a Blu, I'm convinced that they are great, but the last few posts aren't sending me to the Blu aisle. Website? Download? Firmware? WTF???
Finch wrote:If you were thinking of getting Universal Germany's BD of The Game, think again. The first review is out:
- picture lacks details
- edges are quite soft
- there is a mixture of a little bit film grain with video nois and static noise visible (-> quite old transfer)
- no sense of 3-dimensional depth
o DOP Harris Savides treated night scenes with the ENR process
o a restauration in the style of “Minority Report” would be appropriate
+ black level is quite solid
- rear effects are a bit subdued
+ English track offers a better channel separation, a clearer sound field and a more precise and powerful bass
Unfortunately Universal used a very old master for this BD. The image is quite soft and lacks details. DNR was also used. Then edge enhancement was applied to re-sharpen the picture. The sound is a bit front heavy and the sound field is not very clean. Despite the fact that Universal did release a special edition DVD there is no bonus material at all on this disc. So why is Universal releasing this BD?
So (for the upteenth time) Bluray doesn't automatically = greatness then?

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:07 am
by nsps
How many things in life automatically equal greatness? Buñuel? Murnau? Keaton with full creative control?

Re: 44 The Red Shoes

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:24 am
by Tommaso
Noiretirc wrote:I still don't own a Blu, I'm convinced that they are great, but the last few posts aren't sending me to the Blu aisle. Website? Download? Firmware? WTF???
I feel exactly the same. So you can buy a region-free player, update it and then it's no longer region-free? But you need the update to play discs that came out after you bought the player? But you wouldn't be able to play the disc anyhow because your player is back to region B? Am I getting this right?

Re: 44 The Red Shoes

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:42 pm
by gyorgys
Yes and no.
No, if the player is hardware modified (i.e. chipset) for playing BD's/SD's of whatever region. Mostly (if not always), software updates are intended to play (new) discs and have no consequences for the universalness if the player has been modified hardware wise.
Yes, most software modifications which enable players to play every region locked disc are most likely susceptible to firmware updates which are sometimes not solely targeted at playing discs but also at reinstalling the original region locking and ' (..) your player [if bought in Europe] is back to region B'/2.

Re: 44 The Red Shoes

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:54 pm
by Tommaso
Thanks, gyorgys. Still not planning to go blu at the moment, but at least now I know that I have to make sure about hardware modification.

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:29 pm
by nsps
Also, I wouldn't say "the discs won't play" if you don't update the firmware. It's more likely some special features will be buggy or won't work. I'm not a fan of all these update requirements, mind you. It's very annoying. But I"m not of the opinion that you really have to install every update.

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:43 pm
by aox
I have never had any issues with any of this.

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:44 am
by Noiretirc
aox wrote:I have never had any issues with any of this.
Did you have to download "stuff"? (Please say "no". If I have to stay on top of some kind of "updates" in order to fully enjoy Blu, if/when I ever get there, I will be very depressed.)

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:01 am
by mfunk9786
I leave mine online to receive firmware updates if there are any and to use Netflix streaming
.. what is the problem with this again?

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:24 pm
by Finch

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:32 pm
by domino harvey
mfunk9786 wrote:I leave mine online to receive firmware updates if there are any and to use Netflix streaming
.. what is the problem with this again?
Well, for my Sherwood 5004, there's the risk that it could download the update and become useless to me. I'm afraid to even connect it to my wireless

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:04 pm
by mfunk9786
My player isn't region free, and I've actually noticed the setup menus being sped up and expanded over the course of some firmware updates. Are you specifically speaking about region locking occurring with some theoretical future firmware update?

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:27 pm
by zedz
mfunk9786 wrote:Are you specifically speaking about region locking occurring with some theoretical future firmware update?
I believe this has already happened with some players - firmware updates disabling region-free playing and owners having to track down earlier versions of the firmware in order to reinstate it. What a headache.

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:35 pm
by domino harvey
Yep, it's a real threat for the Sherwoods. Why in the world they would go out of their way to screw over the consumers who sought out their machines specifically for these features is beyond me

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:57 pm
by Svevan
I talked with a customer service rep when my Sherwood wasn't working, and he phrased it that he has "heard that the region-free capability of the player is removed by the new firmware." Which means a customer told him. I got the impression that most of the Sherwoods sold aren't sold to region-free customers, and only those who know of the (unadvertised and unmentioned in the included booklet) region-free capability are being hurt by the firmware change.

Re: Blu-ray, in General

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:45 am
by perkizitore
Those people buying Sherwood and don't use the region free capabilities are stupid.
You can have a much better player from Sony or Panasonic for less money.