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#26 Post by Lino »

And after all this time you still fail to point out what is it exactly that you don't like about him... Granted, he is an acquired taste and one that only very recently I've come to perceive as great in its own right. And I guess I couldn't agree more with one of the interviewees on the Hell on Earth docu: "Of course he has bad taste! Bless him for that!".

You see, through the years I've learned to appreciate and enjoy various kind of films and filmmaking styles. So, I guess that I can go from an Antonioni or Bergman on one day to Teen Wolf and Killer Klowns from Outer Space on the other before you can spell Lisztomania... :D

I do have an eclectic taste that I'm quite proud of and I have found that prejudice is sometimes a barrier that needs to be broken in order for you to continually be challenged and amazed by other people's/artists' visions and opinions. But that's just me and I'm rambling right now...What do you want - you've caught me right in the middle of my new found love for all things Russellian... :wink:
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#27 Post by Subbuteo »

Annie, I admit I have not been forthcoming in a constructive critique of Russell's oeuvre, and rather have tended to take potshots from the sidelines.

Perhaps if I can elucidate on my objection to much of his work.
Firstly, much of my indignation derives from his distorted view of form and content. You in an earlier post accused me of likely being in the camp of those who viewed his work as films merely filled with shock value and with little content, and you would be correct.

For me cinema, art, literature what ever you may wish to call it is adopting a form (means of expression) suitable for its content. In this regard Russell fails on the whole quite miserably, his subject matters by and large are grand in scale i.e. famous composers, controversial authors, taboo subjects delving on the grotesque, the sensationalist and dare I say the bleeding obvious. In adopting this easy target in terms of cinematic expression he fails to give any new insight to his subject matter other than some pathetic tabloid slant.

It is perhaps important to remember that Russell was actively engaged in pooh-poohing the British film industry for a couple of decades, directly as a result of much critical scorn directed at his work. Indeed I would argue that Russell was a victim of his own time (through no fault of his own) in which I mean most of his prolific output occurred during a period when cinema was at its most stale in the UK. Art house cinema has never been big on the agenda as a nation, instead art and the cultural debate took to the theatre and to the TV, and it is they who re-invented the form for a new discussion.
Russell and his ilk were left 'high and dry' and divorced from what was seen as important in British art. His answer was to lash out with a series films which had at its fore, strong shocking images - it was if this was the last breaths of a drowning man. Sure films like Tommy and Lisztomania were popular with cinema going audiences, but this was largely due to its musical element rather than any new stylised cinema. It is during this period I feel he lost sight of his own true art and means of expression particularly that which he achieved in his early career. Here Russell blended the subtle with often exquisite details in the minutiae.

Okay I admit on occasion he has fired a volley of shots to wake up the somewhat complacent nature of much 70's British Cinema and succeeded in making a point, but I would argue he has offered nothing new. It is interesting that Russell probably drew little or no inspiration from fellow European filmmakers of the period, and old (it certainly isn't evident in the majority of his work) but rather took solace in other forms of art: music and literature. This is of course common in cinematic history, however, Russell isn't merely creating a cover, pastiche or adaptation of narrative he takes those elements which provide the perfect vehicle for celluloid sensation often at the expense of a true interpretation or insight from the original source material....in my view he cheats his audience and offers something which is simply just Russell
Secondly, in terms of his importance as an English film maker - well he fills a niche (or shall I say a void), but he has not significantly added to output of british cinema. For that you need to look at Powell & Pressburger, Lindsay Anderson, Ken Loach, Mike Leigh and Dennis Potter who were the big batters, but then again I am sure you are well versed in their work
Annie, I perfectly accept your position and love for his films, something which you write about with passion and enthusiasm and thank god someone does. For me it was a period in which I worked in the arts and was passionate about its ability to change people and society and sadly for me Russell and so much British cinema at the time were far removed from that goal. I would like to add that I have since then grown up! :)

Hope this is not just a rambling mess, if so I blame it on the wine I've consumed :wink:
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#28 Post by Lino »

I think you are on the right path to become a Russell fan more quickly than you know... Your post simply not convinced me at all that you don't like the man's work... :D
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#29 Post by Lino »

I still maintain my inicial stance that you only dislike him because you are british...

The same happens to me: Manoel de Oliveira, though great as he is, makes films that just don't do anything to me and I credit that to the fact that we are both portuguese... Sad but true...

About Russell - yeah, so he did lost focus of his art from the 80's onward (hasn't every artist?) but when he was good, he was great and there's no way you can tell me otherwise! You see, I'm a tough one to break when I find that there's something to hold onto. And indeed there is in a handful of his films (and those are the ones that are populating my imagination right now with images of pure cinematic kitsch joy! :D

In the end, it all does come down to taste (or bad taste in this case...) but my advice to you two is drink a pint or three and then sit down to watch one of his 70's films - you'll find yourselves enjoying it so much more...Feelings of regrets afterwards are sure to come but enjoy the ride while you're at it! :lol:
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#30 Post by Subbuteo »

I've no plans to dissuade you in your new found love affair; only to state my objections to one of Russell's films being cited as 'the best british film ever'
Annie, I'm glad that you have eclectic tastes and isn't wonderful that we can talk about our likes and dislikes in this fashion without resorting to hyperbole or lists of favourite films; one of the strengths of this forum; lets hope!

Ps. I would need more than three pints to sit through some of his films. [-X
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#31 Post by Lino »

But guys can't you see that it's the absolute campiness of his films that I love? ;)

Oh, and flixyflox - now everytime I watch Tommy I will picture you in school uniform in the main role with that blank look on your face as if saying "Get me the hell out of this picture!" :lol:

(yes, the conversation has gotten this low, folks...sorry, Matt...)
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#32 Post by Lino »

flixyflox wrote:After last watching AUNTIE MAME, another pic you and I don't see eye to eye on
Where did you get that idea from? I haven't even seen that film. Maybe you're mistaking me with someone else?

(note to forum readers - the mistake has been cleared via PM and we continue to be good friends albeit our Ken Russell differences...;) )

Just taking a chance to link you all to the upcoming UK edition of Mahler, due March, 28th:

http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=ti ... tle=529842
http://www.sendit.com/video/item/7000000098890

Only extra: Trailer. Let's just hope it comes in its right OAR.
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#33 Post by Buttery Jeb »

Just remembered something: I vaguely remember the "Mahler" DVD that came out years ago thru Image being licensed from Janus Films.

Anybody able to confirm?

-BJ
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#34 Post by Lino »

Yes, it did but apparently is now OOP and besides the quality wasn't exactly very good from what I've been reading.

I'm hoping for a decent transfer this time around.

http://www.mondo-digital.com/mahler.html

Well, no luck this time - the transfer seems to be shitty. Oh, well... it's also a shame that this is the only available edition for the time being...

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=56555
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Given the lack of Russell films currently available on DVD it becomes only more frustrating when those that do see the light of day are given lacklustre treatment. In Mahler’s case this means a pan-and-scan transfer of a faded, dirty and scratchy print. The image isn’t as soft as it could have been, but this remains one of the few pluses in a desperately disappointing effort. It’s not the worst print I’ve ever seen and it does, at the very least, remain watchable, but there is no reason to replace an old VHS copy as the quality is pretty much equal. The soundtrack and extras are equally disappointing, the former suffering from drop-outs and the occasional crackle, whilst the latter amounts only to the original theatrical trailer.
Just to remind you that Russell's Gothic will be coming out through MGM in Europe. The UK release date is June, 20th.

http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=ti ... g=72&pa=sr
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#35 Post by unclehulot »

I thought it WAS 1:33 OAR. Anyone know? A local rentorium has the old Image disc, I think I'll give it another whirl.
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#36 Post by Lino »

Well, not according to imdb it isn't:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071797/technical

What you're getting with the UK edition is a still unrestored transfer (it's about time someone restores this one and it's been awhile since the US DVD was released, so it isn't that far fetched of a request).

But that's the best you can get for now. Sadly.
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#37 Post by unclehulot »

That may indeed be the case, but IMDB is no authority in my opinion. All it takes is one wrong submission to get a whole urban myth going about one detail or another.
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#38 Post by Lino »

Indeed, but given that the two films Russell made before and after Mahler (Savage Messiah and Tommy) were both shot in the 1.85 format, I find it hard to believe that he opted for 1.33 for this particular one.

OAR's apart, I only wished that the A/V was decent which in the end isn't. Sigh. Warner, please hurry with that box, ok?
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#39 Post by Gordon »

Warner, please hurry with that box, ok?
Yes, pretty please. My money and my mind are waiting.
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#40 Post by Lino »

Ever wondered what the old geezer has been up to recently? Well, if you had, take a look here:

http://www.iainfisher.com/russell/russe ... 0Pants.mov
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#41 Post by Gordon »

Altered States is on pre-order at Play.com HERE with a 7th November release date.
I have the R1 disc, which has an adequete anamorphic DVD-5 from late 1998.
The 5.1 remix is pretty good, though. And, very frustratingly, it has no extras.
If ever a film cried out for an audio commentary it's Altered States!
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#42 Post by Lino »

And Billion Dollar Brain which has been available for quite a while in the UK, is finally being released in R1 on October, 4th:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... B000ALM4CQ
Let's hope that they include at least the trailer, which the R2 doesn't.
Annie Mall wrote:Let's hope that they include at least the trailer, which the R2 doesn't.
Well, do they? It doesn't say so in the back (MGM stopped doing that recently).

And what about that Warner box? Any news yet?

While you're at it, go read a very fine essay on the flamboyant career of this british director:

http://www.iainfisher.com/russell/rusarr.html
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#43 Post by colinr0380 »

Was just watching through the extras on the film of the Andrew Lloyd Webber Phanton of the Opera and I had never realised until they mentioned it in the documentary about the stage success that Ken Russell had directed the rock video of Phantom of the Opera with Sarah Brightman and Steve Harley. The music video itself is also included on the second disc of the R2 DVD. I've often thought that this was much better than the musical itself (certainly shorter!) and finding out Ken Russell did it made perfect sense. In four minutes it provides all the bombast of the musical number in the inimitable Ken Russell style, a tone which was lacking in the film itself (and I suppose the stage show if the film is anything to go by) which seemed to take itself much too seriously, which sadly made the bombastic musical moments laugh out loud funny at times!

To get back to the music video I thought the Phantom killing off the other guy in the love triangle using the chandelier was inspired, and I think the differentiation of the guy in the audience by his having a sort of blonde mullet different to everyone else around him was great (as well as the zoom in to him as the Phantom sees him!). It seems a shame that Russell did not get to direct Phantom himself - I'm sure he would have had a lot of fun with it!

While watching the rock music video I also thought of how inspired Dario Argento could have been by the musical version of Phantom, or of that music video in particular, because moving from the music video to the use of rock in Opera doesn't seem such a leap (athough of course he had been using rock interludes in his films like Tenebrae and Phenomena long before that as well)
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#44 Post by Hrossa »

Annie (and any others who want to weigh in), what do you think of The Billion Dollar Brain? Good, bad? Where does it fit in Russell's ouvre?
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#45 Post by Lino »

Well, apparently it's the odd man out on Russell's oeuvre. He was hired to film it but he nevertheless got away with some pretty outrageous visuals that are his personal TM.

Taking this chance to share some thoughts about his Lisztomania that I've recently rewatched.

I don't know how he manages to do this almost everytime with me but the first time I watched it, I was appaled at his treatment of classic composer Franz Liszt. How could he?! How dared he?! Thought the part when he made fun at Wagner was pretty good and hilarious (even Visconti doesn't like Wagner to some point, so I guess the feeling was general among 70's filmmakers).

Then yesterday, I decided to give it another go at it and lo and behold, I loved it! The same thing has happened to me with Tommy and it has left me speechless all the same. Maybe on a second time I am able to more easily forgive his outrageousness and campiness and maybe that's why it works on repeated viewings. Still, no mean feat.

Any news on that Warner box yet?!
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#46 Post by justeleblanc »

I think Ken Russell was the one thing I wished someone asked Warner about at the HTF discussion. THE BOY FRIEND was mentioned as being part of a CLASSIC MUSICALS box, but I wish someone asked about Lisztomania. It really is a great film!
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#47 Post by Lino »

Warner said they were working on a The Devils SE and someone on this forum once said that a rumored Boxset was in the works containing all of Warner owned Russell's titles that are still not out on DVD (The Devils, The Boy Friend, Savage Messiah and Lisztomania) plus a revamped SE of Altered States.

This is only rumours of course but the release date is supposedly March, 2006. Toes and fingers crossed for that one! And while they're at it, they could might as well include Ken's Mahler which is currently MIA on R1 and is a Goodtimes title like Lisztomania. One hopes.

About that Classics Musicals Collection: that's the first time I heard of it associated with Ken Russell. Are you sure you're not confusing with another thing altogether?
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#48 Post by justeleblanc »

I can't seem to find the thread that mentioned the HTF forum discussion but I do remember THE BOY FRIEND being mentioned as a medium priority release. I could be wrong, but I think I'm right.

March 2006 would be great. Does Warner also hold the rights to Valentino?
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#49 Post by Lino »

JusteLeblanc wrote:Does Warner also hold the rights to Valentino?
No, that one belongs to MGM/Sony. As do Women in Love (already out on a very good DVD - love that film to bits!), The Music Lovers (a crying shame this isn't out on shiny discs), and Gothic (out only in Europe for now). Billion Dollar Brain is also out as mentioned above.

Wouldn't mind having this lot in a box too, though.

As mentioned in various threads around this forum, Warner is apparently working on future DVD editions of Ken Russell's The Devils (a full Special Edition) and The Boy Friend. Someone else on this board (I no longer remember who, I'm sorry) has also mentioned that he had heard on the grapevine that DVD editions of all Warner owned Russell titles were also in the pipeline and rumoured to be released around March, 2006. Altered States is also getting the SE treatment. That date seems a tad premature, but we'll see.

So, if this comes to fruition, next year we'll see a nice boxset collecting The Devils, The Boy Friend, Savage Messiah, Lisztomania and Altered States. Now, according to imdb.com, Russell's Mahler is also a Goodtimes title much like Lisztomania and seeing that it is now OOP, this could also be a possible title in this Collection. Let's hope so.

And now let the speculation begin!
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#50 Post by Arcadean »

The Devils is Ken Russell's masterpiece, in my opinion, but I wonder if Warner will release it uncut, with restored footage, unrated or NC17? I'd love to see the original, as I've only seen the American cut version. Later on, I saw some restored footage of nunsploitation. I suppose that will be in it too?

If this boxset really happens, I'm going to bounce up and down with excitement for a few days. =P~
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