929 Female Trouble

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knives
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Re: 929 Female Trouble

#26 Post by knives »

R0lf wrote:Start with PINK FLAMINGOS and work up.

Waters early movies are the real reward here and if you don't like those there isn't much point moving on to the the later ones.
Not really. I know a ton of people, admittedly not film people, who love the post-Pecker work, but dislike everything before.
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knives wrote:
R0lf wrote:Start with PINK FLAMINGOS and work up.

Waters early movies are the real reward here and if you don't like those there isn't much point moving on to the the later ones.
Not really. I know a ton of people, admittedly not film people, who love the post-Pecker work, but dislike everything before.
Which makes for a grand total of two films.
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#28 Post by DRW.mov »

Lost Highway wrote:
knives wrote:
R0lf wrote:Start with PINK FLAMINGOS and work up.

Waters early movies are the real reward here and if you don't like those there isn't much point moving on to the the later ones.
Not really. I know a ton of people, admittedly not film people, who love the post-Pecker work, but dislike everything before.
Which makes for a grand total of two films.
Allow me to step in really quicky to defend the minor masterpiece that is A Dirty Shame. Apart from the unfortunately dated CGI it’s one of his funniest efforts since Desperate Living (which also doesn’t get enough love here it seems).

But back to the topic at hand, Hairspray, Cry-Baby, and Serial Mom are his entry point films. Unless you’re the kind of person that watches Cannibal Holocaust and Last House on the Left a couple times a year for the fun of it, don’t start in the deep end.
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#29 Post by Lost Highway »

Desperate Living has its moments and was sadly prophetic of the Trump presidency, but Divine gave the early movies their energising force and is badly missed.
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#30 Post by knives »

Lost Highway wrote:
knives wrote:
R0lf wrote:Start with PINK FLAMINGOS and work up.

Waters early movies are the real reward here and if you don't like those there isn't much point moving on to the the later ones.
Not really. I know a ton of people, admittedly not film people, who love the post-Pecker work, but dislike everything before.
Which makes for a grand total of two films.
Misspoke. Meant Polyester.
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#31 Post by Yaanu »

colinr0380 wrote:Red Letter Media channel did a great video about Pink Flamingos recently!
I've been wanting to bring up their video ever since Female Trouble was rumored/confirmed to get a release.
Mostly because I share their sentiment in wanting to see
Spoiler
a whistling asshole
on Blu-ray.

Though if/when Pink Flamingos does come to Criterion, I'd hope that they eschew that "remastered" soundtrack in favor of an original mono track. It's jarring to hear the film shift from rough and unfiltered mono to clean stereo music and back.
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#32 Post by Ashirg »

We should have got the clue about Female Trouble and Polyester when Warner Archive released only Pink Flamingos and Desperate Living on MOD DVD and not the other 2 titles..
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#33 Post by dwk »

So the " New conversation between Waters and critic Michael Musto" either never happened or was unusable and was replaced with a "New conversation between Waters and critic and programmer Dennis Lim"
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#34 Post by Ashirg »

conversation between Waters and Dennis Lim was recorded yesterday -

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#35 Post by Gregory »

I compulsively try to recognize blurry book spines and see Fujiwara's Preminger book on the left and Gallagher's Rossellini above them.
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#36 Post by headacheboy »

I want to know where John Waters gets his suit coats from. (I was quite smitten with the one he wore in the Beyond The Valley of The Dolls supplement.)
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#37 Post by Roscoe »

I do the bookshelf thing too -- looks like Kevin Brownlow's biography of David Lean in there too.

Bookshelf scanning is a weird compulsion. It can make for odd discoveries, like that volume of Books In Print on a doctor's shelf in MAGNOLIA.
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#38 Post by Werewolf by Night »

headacheboy wrote:I want to know where John Waters gets his suit coats from. (I was quite smitten with the one he wore in the Beyond The Valley of The Dolls supplement.)
I think he always wears Comme Des Garcons.
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#39 Post by Ishmael »

Werewolf by Night wrote:
headacheboy wrote:I want to know where John Waters gets his suit coats from. (I was quite smitten with the one he wore in the Beyond The Valley of The Dolls supplement.)
I think he always wears Comme Des Garcons.
Yes, and in fact Waters has a fantastic chapter on his love for Comme des Garcons clothes in his book Role Models. If you're curious about Waters's fashion habits at all, this is a must read.
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Ishmael wrote:Yes, and in fact Waters has a fantastic chapter on his love for Comme des Garcons clothes in his book Role Models. If you're curious about Waters's fashion habits at all, this is a must read.
I will do that. I enjoyed listening to him talk about Beyond Valley of The Dolls and his commentary on Multiple Maniacs was an absolute highlight. I'm guessing his books contain the same enthusiasm and bite. Thanks for the tip.
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#41 Post by R0lf »

Werewolf by Night wrote:
headacheboy wrote:I want to know where John Waters gets his suit coats from. (I was quite smitten with the one he wore in the Beyond The Valley of The Dolls supplement.)
I think he always wears Comme Des Garcons.
And Issey Miyake.
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#42 Post by goblinfootballs »

More! is gone, with nothing added to the list of features, sadly.
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#45 Post by Lost Highway »

This reads like another one of those reviews of his where it appears he watched ten minutes and then improvised a "review" where he repeats the same sentiment several times. Just to not look totally ignorant he awards the movie three stars even though he clearly hated what he saw of it.

For this "review" of Guy Maddin‘s My Winnipeg he clearly only watched the first few minutes and then spends the entire review quoting the narration at the start of the film:

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/My-Winnip ... 06/#Review
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#46 Post by tenia »

Lost Highway wrote: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:56 amJust to not look totally ignorant he awards the movie three stars even though he clearly hated what he saw of it.
Ah, the good ol' average review because you haven't seen enough of the movie but have to give a grade and don't want to be off by too much... Yeah, I used to do that too.
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#47 Post by seventake2 »

I feel like the Criterion transfer does wonders for Waters' "trash" aesthetic in this film (and Multiple Maniacs). By removing any sense that what we are watching is a 'cheap' presentation (ie. crappy film print) the intentionality of Waters' approach becomes clearer. Has anybody else noticed this?
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#48 Post by dwk »

Criterion's site has a short interview with Susan Arosteguy about the work that went into producing this disc: Producing Female Trouble
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