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Frau's right, the 60s were a ridiculously fertile ground for countless world cinemas that will almost surely never be surpassed for a variety of reasons. I envy your optimism, Benoit, but Godard was pretty much right at the end of Week End, cinema peaked and was finished by the end of the sixties. There's still numerous great pleasures to be had with films since, obviously, but not on the scale that decade offered us

Cinema peaked and was finished by the end of the sixties like the novel peaked and was finished in 1922.

BenoitRouilly wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:11 pm

FrauBlucher wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:38 pm World cinema from 60’s is probably the greatest decade for film output by the world as a whole. It will never be topped.

The consensus is "fluid", but the canon shall be engraved in stone. Only greater recent films could squeeze out masterpieces of the past from the top100.
But there are occasional revivals, where overlooked gems from a niche get masterpiece status long after their due. And the canon shift a little.
We should know by now what are the great films of the first century. I'm not saying the S&S consensus is an accurate representation of the canon though (it took a long time for Ozu to reach its deserved place in the top10!). THE "Canon" exists outside the various polls.

Whose "Canon" are you referring to? Is there a link for this top 100 you're talking about?

HinkyDinkyTruesmith wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:21 pm Cinema peaked and was finished by the end of the sixties like the novel peaked and was finished in 1922.

Only one of those demarcations would have prevented Norman Mailer

domino harvey wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:14 pm Frau's right, the 60s were a ridiculously fertile ground for countless world cinemas that will almost surely never be surpassed for a variety of reasons. I envy your optimism, Benoit, but Godard was pretty much right at the end of Week End, cinema peaked and was finished by the end of the sixties. There's still numerous great pleasures to be had with films since, obviously, but not on the scale that decade offered us

It's inevitable. Think of what cinema will be like in a 100 years... you can't. So why not imagine it will be even greater than our 60ies?

Because the trend isn't moving in that direction and hasn't for well over fifty years?

I can't even imagine cinema still being created 100 years from now, but I do like the optimism.

I can't even imagine the world existing 100 years from now.

Glowingwabbit wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:23 pm Whose "Canon" are you referring to? Is there a link for this top 100 you're talking about?

There is no link, because it hasn't been written down. It is not any of the individual tops (which are always consensus and not a concerted/balanced argument). It is a mental construct.

Well I think some pronounced masterpieces are acknowledged as such not long after their release, i.e Mulholland Dr., There Will Be Blood, A Separation, Tree of Life. Other films do take time to build up a following (sign me up for the Assassination of Jesse James and Synecodche NY for best of 00s). But anyway Indiewire's list is just plain lunacy. No Her, Arrival, Upstream Color, Paterson, and they gave so many spots for decent at best films, Luhrmann at worst.
But I agree with Dom. I doubt any decade will be as strong as the 60s. It is such a concise decade of all the New Waves around the world that really pushed cinema forward. I'll take the decade where Godard and Teshigahara were operating at full power over any other decade

dda1996a wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:48 pm No Her, A Separation, Upstream Color, Paterson, Phantom Thread

Two of those are on there

HinkyDinkyTruesmith wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:36 pm I can't even imagine the world existing 100 years from now.

Well, maybe cinema will be fertile on Mars then.

FrauBlucher wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:54 pm

HinkyDinkyTruesmith wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:36 pm I can't even imagine the world existing 100 years from now.

Well, maybe cinema will be fertile on Mars then.

Insert joke about documentary version of The Martian here.

Not a canonist. Way too limiting.

Henri Langlois was an anti-canon, and he helped save from destruction even the bad films of generations passed, so that film history can exist, not just by its masterpieces.

Indiwire's 50 greatest performances of the 2010s, which will of course have to be updated soon with several from the cast of Cats

I'm both happy that Shoplifters' Ando Sakura gets some attention on the list and pissed off that it's only at #47

And Tom Cruise makes it.

Who the fuck watches the Master and singles out Hoffman over Phoenix? Hoffman delivers a great perf, but c’mon. Portman should be number one, but fifteen was higher than I expected, so that’s something

EDIT And no mention of Casey Affleck either, this is more useless than these things usually are

The biggest jaw-dropper for me was Elizabeth Debicki in The Great Gatsby. Besides the obvious (why is Debicki on the list at all?), you'd think they would at least write up her role in Widows instead, an infinitely more interesting movie where she actually gets to do things.

Just thinking of movies from the last few years, where's Ethan Hawke? Where's Matt Dillon? Where's Matthew McConaughey, for God's sake?

Too obvious, gotta outwardly show they’re “thinking outside the box” while making no choices that feel like the product of authentic outsider tastes and instead come off as shock value picks to generate hits and talk online— ie we’re falling for it, but like Christoph Waltz (also not listed for any film) in Django Unchained, we can’t help ourselves

We've really lost our way if The Great Gatsby is now regarded by anyone as an "outside-the-box pick." At least they didn't pick the truly contemptible Booksmart for their 2010s list - there is no movie I hope fades faster from The Discourse

If Gatsby has held any value since release, it was when we watched it in my AP Lit class and

Spoiler

when Myrtle is run over by Daisy, everyone began howling

. I sometimes question everything that Luhrman has done, as well as this decade. 2017, 2011, and 2012 were the stellar years for me.

That acting list is literally just the lead actor from all the top films in their other list with only like five exceptions

domino harvey wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:50 pm Who the fuck watches the Master and singles out Hoffman over Phoenix?

I'd say they're about even. Hoffman chews just as much scenery in that film as Phoenix does, and the penultimate scene is something I think about almost every single day because of Hoffman, not because of Phoenix (although, man oh man he is devastating in it too)

I guess someone from their staff stubbornly loves Gatsby and they grew tired of fighting him.
Wait, did I miss something again or was Amy Addams snubbed again? :-k