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swo17 wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:13 pm

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The film could've easily followed her in the jacket for another hour, and ended up a nice parallel piece with In Fabric, which is also about multiple owners of a mysteriously alluring piece of apparel

I think I just realized I have a new favorite subgenre

therewillbeblus wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:59 pm

Slaphappy wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:58 pm I love Dupieux’s weirdness because to me it is so character driven, so I hold on to my interpretation. [-(

I don't see how they're mutually exclusive (being character-driven and also broad) and I wasn't trying to uproot you from said interpretation just trying to engage in discussion. However, in bringing up Dupieux's tendency toward "character-driven" weirdness, I'm more curious about and open-minded to your reading when looking at the inconsistency of bizarre in his milieu. While someone like Lanthimos may implement a more apparently consistent method across behavior, psychology, and lack of social skills in his bizarro worlds, Dupieux's lack of consistency in character creates an even more absurd world. While we get very little of the eccentricities of characters outside of the two leads, there is the night manager of the hotel, the prostitute, and even the hunter and his son who all present with their own kind of strange. And then there are all the people Jean Dujardin encounter who seem completely normal, though some of them maybe satirized around the lack of self-preservation when blinded by a moment of fame. That's a good point and one that I didn't really think about that creates even more vague possibilities at dissecting the film from a broad focal point or one of more concrete characterization like yours. Not as a replacement reading but as a complementing one, which I think is something this film affords and even welcomes.

knives wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:34 pm

swo17 wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:13 pm

Spoiler

The film could've easily followed her in the jacket for another hour, and ended up a nice parallel piece with In Fabric, which is also about multiple owners of a mysteriously alluring piece of apparel

I think I just realized I have a new favorite subgenre

La ronde?

Slaphappy wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:12 pm I have only seen Dogtooth from Lanthimos, and even though I can appriciate his craft with actors, I was not intriqued by his vision or by the story. Maybe it was too blatantly psychological and satirical. Dupieux I find wonderful because he is not afraid to be inconsistent or incoherent if that means being spontanous and imaginative while still keeping the movie together with good characters. I like it when movies are more interested in luring the viewers inside the labyrinth than obsessing about showing the way out to wrap things up.

Have you seen Reality? It’s Dubieux’s most borgesian movie, a really fun and casual excercise in obsession and wildly looping metastuff.

swo17 wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:02 pm

knives wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:34 pm

swo17 wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:13 pm

Spoiler

The film could've easily followed her in the jacket for another hour, and ended up a nice parallel piece with In Fabric, which is also about multiple owners of a mysteriously alluring piece of apparel

I think I just realized I have a new favorite subgenre

La ronde?

I think I meant clothing horror

domino harvey wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:48 pm How are your lion and witch, though?

therewillbeblus wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:56 pm I'm thinking more of something like Killing of a Sacred Deer or The Lobster, where I think Lanthimos breathes more easily having fun with his worlds although he definitely has more of an urgency and calculated purpose in the story that drives the narrative by comparison. Even aside from these imaginative and creative details though, there is a consistency of profile in his characters' eccentric behaviors (obviously with some personality differences) as well as similarly hiveminded mentalities (which is also a theme throughout his work) that is a bit more grounded in a way and not exactly what we are getting with Dupieux, but they work for different reasons. The comparison was really to represent the differences of modern presentations of the absurd.

I haven't seen Reality but I'm going to pick up the one blu-ray copy from my library network today -thanks for the rec!

therewillbeblus wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:56 pm I'm thinking more of something like Killing of a Sacred Deer or The Lobster, where I think Lanthimos breathes more easily having fun with his worlds although he definitely has more of an urgency and calculated purpose in the story that drives the narrative by comparison. Even aside from these imaginative and creative details though, there is a consistency of profile in his characters' eccentric behaviors (obviously with some personality differences) as well as similarly hiveminded mentalities (which is also a theme throughout his work) that is a bit more grounded in a way and not exactly what we are getting with Dupieux, but they work for different reasons. The comparison was really to represent the differences of modern presentations of the absurd.