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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:43 pm
by patrick
Intriguingly enough, this could be premiering at Cannes. Of his recent work, I really enjoyed The Stendhal Syndrome, I think it's his best post-Phenomena work. However, if you seek it out, either get the Italian DVD from Medusa or wait for the 2 disc version coming from Blue Underground - stay away from the Troma DVD at all costs since it only has the terrible English dubbed soundtrack. I also enjoyed Pelts and Jenifer, although both are more exercises in pushing the envelope as opposed to real works of art. Pelts in particular is one of the goriest things he's done yet.
Hopefully this will get at least some theatrical showings in the US, I've yet to see an Argento film in a theater.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:52 pm
by dadaistnun
Saw this at Variety's website. There's probably nothing at all about the film in the actual magazine, but thought this would be of interest just the same.
Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:22 am
by DrewReiber
Fangoria's Weekend of Horrors convention in Burbank will be hosting a Third Mother panel this Friday (May 18th). Here's the info:
[quote]3:45 P.M.—“THE THIRD MOTHERâ€
Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 8:17 am
by otis
Didn't realise this starred Asia (as Sarah Mandy, an anglicized version of the Manni surname several of Argento's heroines share). With her, Daria, Udo and Coralina Cataldi Tassoni (Giulia from Opera) on board, plus Israeli saucepot Moran Atias as Mater Lacrimarum, I'll give it a go, even if I swore never to sit through another of Dario's movies after Il Cartaio.
Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:36 pm
by Lino
Fangoria has some
new photos. Looks good. Beware of spoilers.
Shakey Cam Teaser Trailer
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:18 pm
by scalesojustice
Argento has lost his damn fool mind! and i can't wait to see this.
Be sure to check out the stills from that link above. The teaser combined with the outrageous stills makes me think this could redeem Argento. If his latest "Masters of Horror" episodes are any indication, it looks like he could be on the up and up.
The Card Player this is not. I'm hoping that Argento can rescue the abysmal horror genre with this release. an October States release would be the icing on the cake.
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:30 am
by DrewReiber
Just as a general warning to anyone looking at these stills floating around, know that some of them are *extremely* spoiler heavy. As in, could ruin the movie for you.
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:53 pm
by dadaistnun
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:06 pm
by Lino
I'm already not expecting this new one to reach the heights of the other two parts of the trilogy but just as long as it doesn't totally such, I'm fine.
Yes, I am already lowering my expectations so as not to be disappointed. It works beautifully because from time to time, I get surprised.
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:36 pm
by Barmy
Excerpt from
Salon review:
After I left the depressed and/or laconic Texans, I flew straight to Rome, figuratively speaking, for Dario Argento's "The Mother of Tears." I don't have a taste for contemporary horror pictures -- I avoid the "Saws," the "Hostels," almost completely. I did see "House of Wax" (which I'm sure is relatively mild as these things go) and was dismayed at the protracted, sadistic quality of the violence.
Moviegoers and critics seem to be thinking, talking and writing more about movie violence these days: A.O. Scott addressed the subject in a recent Sunday New York Times piece, reflecting on the lasting influence of Arthur Penn's 1967 "Bonnie and Clyde." I don't see "Bonnie and Clyde" as a clear source of our current problem, and I hesitate to beat any drum about the prevalence of movie violence because I think the term itself is way too broad: When we talk about movie violence, do we mean the artful but brutal chase scenes and fight sequences in Paul Greengrass' "The Bourne Ultimatum"? Or the creepy killer in "House of Wax" who gives us a good three or four minutes (at least that's how long it seemed) to look forward to his lopping off a young woman's fingers with tinsnips?
It's the sadism of the latter that bothers me, and while I don't automatically read it as evidence of our "sick society," I can see it's not making our movies any better, either. And that's why I loved "The Mother of Tears." I haven't seen any recent Argento -- I've been warned that his newer movies don't have the nutball stylishness of earlier pictures like "The Bird With the Crystal Plumage" or "Four Flies on Gray Velvet" or, my favorite, "Suspiria."
But "The Mother of Tears" is so unapologetically loopy and lush and ridiculous that I found it irresistible. Now look, I'm not going to tell you that there isn't some sick stuff in this thing: When a trio of crazed demons began strangling a woman with her own entrails -- and this is within the first 10 minutes -- I began to think that a peaceful afternoon spent searching for that Clooney earlobe didn't sound like such a bad thing. But I sure as hell wasn't leaving that theater. In "The Mother of Tears" Argento revisits lots of favorite motifs, to use a noun that's perhaps more delicate than is warranted: There are the usual instances of knives being plunged into women's chests (I think I read somewhere that that's a kind of phallic symbolism. Y'think?), as well as an occurrence of what a friend and colleague calls "the old pike up the vag," a chestnut Argento has used so many times it's almost endearing.
I don't particularly like watching that stuff; I confess to being a proponent of the watch-through-the-fingers thing. But Argento's sick violence is of the old-school kind. It's swift and uncluttered; he gives you five seconds to anticipate it, another five to get it over with, and then he's on to the next thing. That next thing might involve an ingenious eyeball-stabbing device (and this is where I highly recommend the tried-and-true watch-through-the-fingers technique), but again -- 10 or 15 seconds, and it's over.
And then you're left to simply enjoy the squirrelly riches that Argento tucks so lovingly around the blood and gore, which is very obviously and exuberantly fake, anyway. In "The Mother of Tears" two Rome museum curators -- one of them, the heroine of this tale, is played by the wonderfully brash and sensuous actress Asia Argento, Dario's daughter -- receive a curious stone urn and can't resist opening it. Inside are three fat stone statues with ugly faces, a primitive jeweled dagger and a scrap of cloth that we learn is a ceremonial dress from pagan times. The thing looks like -- no, wait, I'm telling you, it is -- a cut-off sweatshirt decorated with mysterious runes written in glitter glue. It also happens to be a minidress: When the powerful witch Mater Lachrymarum slips it on, it barely covers her bum -- and what a bum it is!
But I'm getting ahead of myself. In "The Mother of Tears," the opening of that urn restores the powers of the beautiful and deadly Third Mother, one of three witches responsible for spreading pain, tears and darkness throughout the land. Now that Mama Lach is back in action, witches from around the world are headed to Rome for her big house party-slash-orgy -- dressed in black miniskirts and Patrick Nagel-style eye makeup, they descend upon the city like Beelzebub's "Girls Gone Wild." Violence erupts in the streets: Crazed, possessed maidens run around topless; priests who know a little bit too much about the occult face gruesome ends. "The Mother of Tears" is wild and untamed, a celebratory feat of gonzo artistry. Argento clearly didn't have a lot of money to spend on the picture, but it still has a sort of cheapie-luxe look: The women's clothes, for example, aren't expensive, but they nonetheless give you a pretty clear sense of what a Satan doll's idea of glamour would be.
"The Mother of Tears" is as sick as hell. But at least it's got class.
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:55 am
by Lino
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:04 am
by DrewReiber
Looks awful... and of course I'll see it anyway.
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:01 pm
by colinr0380
Another review - My hopes of something to match Suspiria or even Inferno are fading (for my money the best work Argento ever did was the first half hour or so of Inferno but the film fell apart completely once Leigh McCloskey's Mark became the focus and Daria Nicolodi started getting cats thrown at her by off camera crew members - it doesn't stop me going back and getting caught up in the sustained, if incoherent, brilliance of Irene Miracle's exploration of the underwater room, the classroom scene with Ania Peroni and the scene where Eleonora Giorgi intercepts the letter to Mark and visits her local library though!)
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:33 pm
by DrewReiber
I love Inferno through and through, especially because Argento seems to approach the main character(s) and the progression of the Witch's plot/story with a similar indifference found in Blow Up. Never once do the main characters seem to figure out what they're doing, why they're there or what to do next. The entire incoherent chaos unfolds with or without them and they're never really allowed to pierce the veil and find a logical plot. I might have just tossed that into lazy nonsense, but his obsession with Antonioni's thriller structure is just too apparent in his work at the time.
I have no hope that The Third Mother will approach either of the first two films. He's no longer that filmmaker and his emphasis is on the shock of sex & gore, whether we like it or not. If we go in with the expectations based on 30 years ago, we are doomed. I just hope it's not embarrassing on it's own terms.
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:28 am
by colinr0380
DrewReiber wrote:I love Inferno through and through, especially because Argento seems to approach the main character(s) and the progression of the Witch's plot/story with a similar indifference found in Blow Up. Never once do the main characters seem to figure out what they're doing, why they're there or what to do next. The entire incoherent chaos unfolds with or without them and they're never really allowed to pierce the veil and find a logical plot.
True, but for me the point the film falls apart is when it eventually moves to Mark and there seems to be a conscious attempt to try and get a slight plot going with Alida Valli's blackmailing plans - before then everything is incoherent narratively but has a very powerful dreamlike logic to the way things unfold. Once it moves to Mark everything suddenly seems terribly forced - not just McCloskey's wooden acting (though that doesn't help) but also the strangely lacklustre death by cats and rats set pieces that are disappointingly down to earth when it feels like they should be as spectacularly bizarre as what came earlier.
I also don't want to suggest that all Argento's films are 'incoherent' - Deep Red and especially Tenebrae, one of my favourite films, play very fair with the audience, but then they are more in the giallo rather than fantastical horror genre.
I think it might not just be Argento (though I have my suspicions that this film is just a way of getting the third in the trilogy he announced decades ago out of the way so the fans stop bugging him about it - more of a dutiful assignment than one he personally wants to do or has any interest in?) who has moved on but the whole Italian film industry - in a way it is amazing that he has been able to find the resources to make a fantastical kind of film at all, even if it might be a disappointing one.
EDIT (19th January):
Tim Lucas on the film
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:30 pm
by Lino
Ok, watched it last Sunday night at the Fantasporto Film Festival and been struggling if I should or shouldn't write a review here. Oh, well - here it goes.
Shame on you, Mr. Argento! After more than 30 years in the film business and you're still treating your audience patronisingly. Yes, I'm talking about the dodgy dialogue you seem to have a special talent for. Example: we see Asia entering some Catacumbs. On the top of the stone entrance reads a sign saying "Catacumbs". Asia then proceeds to utter: "Catacumbs! Unexplored Catacumbs!". Please. This is not a Famous Five episode. Come on.
The thing is, the whole movie is very uneven. It has several moments of brilliance (the killings are some of his goriest and bloodiest ever) and a lot of mediocre ones in the middle. I had a problem with the cinematography, too. Don't expect the kind of candy-colored lighting that graced and made famous the previous entries in the trilogy. It all looks very uninspired. The mystery is gone. Too much sun has entered Argento's nightmares. Not good.
As for Simonetti's score, well, it's passable. But only just.
Half-way through, I was half-wishing that some american fan-boy director had tackled this project. Again, not a good sign at all. And the ending is so damn farcical and, well, stupid that it had everyone in the theatre laughing their lungs out. I know that Argento's movies are not about the script or the acting but I can take only so much.
One of the rare instances I found myself wishing a tough producer would take the movie out of Argento's hands and re-cut it. It's in sore need of one.
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:44 pm
by Michael
Very disheartening to read, Lino. Even though I'm not surprised. But as long as we have Suspira, I'm okay.
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:51 pm
by Barmy
It sound awesome!
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:06 pm
by Fletch F. Fletch
Filmmaker magazine
interviews Dario Argento
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:08 pm
by colinr0380
Review of the Optimum Region 2 DVD.
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:35 am
by luridedith
Lino wrote:Too much sun has entered Argento's nightmares. Not good.
I haven't seen The Third Mother yet but that's a REALLY great way of describing what is wrong with most of Argento's recent films. They really lack that personal, fetishistic energy that make his 70s/80s work so addictive, as if he is using the film to act out his own obsessions and fears. From 90s onwards (with the exception of Stendhal Syndrome), its all a bit faceless. I'm expecting the worst from The Third Mother but I'm hoping that its at least entertaining mindless trash and not boring and empty like The Card Player etc.
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:08 am
by Morbii
luridedith wrote:I haven't seen The Third Mother yet but that's a REALLY great way of describing what is wrong with most of Argento's recent films.
I actually thought
Non ho sonno was quite good.
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:15 pm
by Morbii
I watched the Optimum DVD the other day and thought it was pretty good. Mind you, there was some bad CG, some really stupid stuff, and it seemed to end sort of abruptly... but I felt it was somewhat creepy and actually was interesting to watch. This is definitely one of Argento's most gory/brutal outings (and I know that says a lot) - there's even a Cannibal Holocaust "worship" scene.
I think if he'd cut all the stupid shit with the ghost out and gone with a different angle (or at least just let Asia hear voices instead of trying to show her ghost mother) that the film would have been a lot better, at least as an entertainment piece
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:23 pm
by luridedith
Morbii wrote:luridedith wrote:I haven't seen The Third Mother yet but that's a REALLY great way of describing what is wrong with most of Argento's recent films.
I actually thought
Non ho sonno was quite good.
Oh yeah forgot about that. The beginning with the hooker running through the train scared for her life is absolutely fantastic but it kinda loses it towards the end. But yeah one of his better later films.
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 12:18 am
by Morbii
luridedith wrote:Oh yeah forgot about that. The beginning with the hooker running through the train scared for her life is absolutely fantastic but it kinda loses it towards the end. But yeah one of his better later films.
Yeah, that is definitely one of my favorite scenes in the film too. The Goblin soundtrack is also a welcome return!