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Because Ordet was released as Ordet in France 1955 and the others had French titles.

Arn777 wrote:Because Ordet was released as Ordet in France 1955 and the others had French titles.

That's quite a tidbit to have at your immediate disposal (I just posted that)! Impressive (if you're not just inferring this).

Where did you hear that from? I guess it makes sense since in the US we call the other two films by English titles yet leave WORD as ORDET.

err, I just know. It's one of my top 3 films of all time, the first time i saw it was about 20 years ago in Le Havre and it was called Ordet and has far as I know and reading old Cahiers du Cinema it has always been known as Ordet in France (probably because Le Mot didn't sound that good), and I don't think I have been so moved going out of a theater ever since.

Arn777 wrote:err, I just know. It's one of my top 3 films of all time, the first time i saw it was about 20 years ago in Le Havre and it was called Ordet and has far as I know and reading old Cahiers du Cinema it has always been known as Ordet in France (probably because Le Mot didn't sound that good), and I don't think I have been so moved going out of a theater ever since.

That's why Jaques Brel, instead of writing a song about his lover coming back to life (Le Mot), wrote a song about his love for his lover at some point off in the future, where her love dies but his doesn't-- killing him-- (La Mort)

Details from the MK2 website:

Reference : 900349
Editor : MK2 Editions
Scenarist :
Producer :
Zone : PAL Zone 2 General
Language : Danish, German
Subtitles : French
Colour : No

Interactivity/Bonus
- Ordet : Un film mystique, Entretien avec Birgitte Federspiel (1995), Entretiens avec Henning Bendtsen (1966 & 1995)
- Gertrud : Analyse Zeyen, Entretien avec Baard Owe, Entretien avec Axel Strobye, Dreyer sur le plateau de Gertrud, Dreyer reçoit le prix FIPRESCI à Venise (1965), La Première de Gertrud à Paris
- La maître du logis : Une parabole édifiante
- Vampyr : Images censurées, Un poème cinématographique, Ils attrapèrent le bac – court métrage de Carl Theodor Dreyer
- Jour de colère : Mesure et équilibre, Entretiens avec Preben Lerdorff Rye (1966&1995), Entretiens avec Lisbeth Movin (1966&1995)
- Carl Theodor Dreyer, mon mérier : Entretien avec Jorgen Roos (1966 & 1995), Entretien avec Hélène Falconetti (1995)

So NO english subtitles. I hope, that they will release "Vampyr" seperatly, because it's the German version.

4LOM wrote:So NO english subtitles.

Don't give up yet - they've been wrong on their own website before.

So does anybody have the new VAMPYR out of the MK2 Dreyer Coffret box? I heard it has no subs and it doesn't impress... but we have to be leery of expecting too much in the way of picture quality (see the "restored" image in MY METIER & the Sybil Schmitz flick caps on CC) as Dreyer specifically wanted a hazy, fuzzed out image. For me the main issue, particularly versus the Shepard disaster on Image, is the cropping. Is it a true full-frame transfer?

Anyone have this?

Is criterion releasing Vampyr? According to the postcard on file at criteriondungeon it is Coming Soon.

Toshiro De Niro wrote:Is criterion releasing Vampyr? According to the postcard on file at criteriondungeon it is Coming Soon.

The ad is outdated, it also uses the term "VHS"

At last: From MOC Splash Page

[CARL THEODOR DREYER]

According to the Danish Foreign Ministry in Paris, MK2 will release a Dreyer box set of DVDs soon, which, notably, will include the Cineteca Bologna's restoration of Vampyr (1932) as well as clips from a 1966 documentary by filmmaker Jørgen Roos (Dreyer's cameraman on They Caught the Ferry). Details in French, including a fine PDF, can be found here.

[CARL THEODOR DREYER]

According to the Danish Foreign Ministry in Paris, MK2 will release a Dreyer box set of DVDs soon, which, notably, will include the Cineteca Bologna's restoration of Vampyr (1932) as well as clips from a 1966 documentary by filmmaker Jørgen Roos (Dreyer's cameraman on They Caught the Ferry). Details in French, including a fine PDF, can be found here. - D.C.

What does this tell us that we didn't already know? Are english subtitles included, afterall? Besides, is anyone that owns the Criterion box and, or BFI editions going to splurge for this set, just to get Vampyr? Hmm.

It tells me-- like it told the global cineaste community on the DFI & MOC site just this month-- that it was indeed going to be the Cineteca restoration which nobody seemed to be able to confirm in either direction up to two weeks ago. That's why I put that part of it in BOLD. If you go up a few posts you'll see I was trying to ascertain (along with everyone else), one week before DFI/MOC announced the source for the MK2 at last, if this was actually the Koerber-Cineteca restoration, and nobody could answer this question, which was pretty much a burning one since the set was formally announced.

As I own the CC Dreyer box, I dunno whether or not I'd go as far to buy the MK2 box just for VAMPYR.. but it's good to know that the restoration is loosening itself up out of it's moorings. Maybe the bfi or AEye at the very least will stick it on the market for the UK, if Kino & CC cannot wrap up their differences over the distribution rights on this title in R1.

Understood, brother.

But will the MK2 have english subtitles?

What about Masters of Cinema releasing it?

Gordon McMurphy wrote:But will the MK2 have english subtitles?

What about Masters of Cinema releasing it?

1. I doubt it, but I know the sparse dialog so well that I don't need subs, and

2. MoC would be fabulous, too.

Damn, I keep forgetting that there is minimal dialogue! Remember, I have not seen this film yet, though it has intrigued me for years.

Saw appalling pd version of this on the horror channel as long time Dreyer fan, but quality seriously detracted from enjoyment

Was only from the clips of Vampyr in 'min metier' on BFIs 'Master of the house' that I finally realised what I'd been missing!

Thanks for info regarding redemption dvd (have taken off my wish list) but anyone know of any plans for a (much needed) quality UK release?

Nick/Perpee? Will you please releive the aches & pains of a frustrated world and do us an MoC solid on this title? Please?

PLEASE? [-o<

While we wait for a proper DVD, a friend's just alerted me to the fact that the film in its entirety has been put up on Google Video. I don't need to do a hard sell here, but do give it a look - it's just magnificent.

Problem is he just uploaded Shepard's heavily cropped (heaviest unnecessary cropping in the history of home video?), supergigantor-overlapping subtitled (biggest, unneccessarily-overlapping supersize-it subtitles inna history of home video?) Image disc which has been tormenting us for years.

Nice to be able to listen to Wolfgang Z's marvelous music wherever, whenever.

EDIT: note they threw up Edison's FRANKENSTEIN.

HerrSchreck wrote:Problem is he just uploaded Shepard's heavily cropped (heaviest unnecessary cropping in the history of home video?), supergigantor-overlapping subtitled (biggest, unneccessarily-overlapping supersize-it subtitles inna history of home video?) Image disc which has been tormenting us for years.

To be fair, what else is she/he going to put up?

Anything but the absolute worst edition of the film. TCM broadcast maybe? MK2? Koerber resto digibeta boot? I'm simply calling attention to the fact, for those who may actually be unaware of what it is that they're looking at, that this image needlessly removes a mind-bending 25% of image area. Is generally considered without exaggeration to be about the most criminal transfer in the realm of dvd-dom. No offense Narsh, but I would have thought that-- around here at least-- that disc was hideous old news.

For those who know Dreyer, watching that transfer is like being married to a Playmate virgin, but being forced to sleep with a bus station pay toilet crack whore at gunpoint on your honeymoon.

On the other hand--really-- nothing personal towards you.. My knee jerk disgust is a product of my dismay at the continued unavailability of a restoration which at this late date is becoming old news.

Six months after its release, I can't believe there is only one review of the Dreyer set.

Anyone care to translate?

peerpee wrote:It's basically a shitty-shotty "PD" release. Not officially licensed (like most of their other discs from that era), and it is not Koerber's restoration.

Their discs come with heavy metal videos as extras. Terrible stuff.

Any chance of there being a definitive edition by the MoC crew?

I made the mistake of renting this from NetFlix. I don't throw the word "unwatchable" around a lot, but this transfer truly is the worst DVD I've ever encountered.

The VAMPYR disc from MK2's Dreyer box set gets released separately on May 2.