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#26 Post by jt »

Agreed that Skuhn8 has the best avatar in the history of the forum.

I'm glad I've been introduced to dvdverdict, it opens up hours of entertainment.

Pather Panchali manages to place 29th on their list of '100 Worst Discs' (just above the classic 'Nora's Hair Salon' but below 'Radar Men From the Moon')...
Although not getting that bad a write-up, it did contain this little ditty:
and, let's face it, this isn't exactly the kind of feel-good movie that'll have you pumping your fist with excitement as the end credits roll
I now have a new yardstick by which to measure my enjoyment of a film...
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#27 Post by reaky »

Skuhn, on the strength of your avatar alone, you have my vote in 2007's Member-Of-The-Year category.

Don't go changin'!
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#28 Post by HerrSchreck »

Ah that 2001 review:
They story itself is not very involving and I found myself getting quite antsy. There are no space fights in the film, no pod races or terrifying aliens. There were no swamp rats, no Ewoks, no Yodas, and no E.T.s. It was very, very depressing. I am declaring a new rule when it comes to making outer space movies: You must have at least one drooling, razor toothed reptile in the film. I don't care if he's in the end credits, dancing during the opening theme song, or in the background doing laps in a pool. I just want to see him in there somewhere, got it?
The whole site is like the Special Ed for film chatter.
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#29 Post by colinr0380 »

You missed this one Herr Schreck:
I realize that Kubrick was attempting to do something different, to make…a statement with the way 2001: A Space Odyssey was made. In some viewers' eyes, he has succeeded. In my eyes he needs a better editor. I'm sure that some may argue that I'm too used to the hip-hoppin' zip-bang-boom pace of today's movies, such as the MTV style editing of such films as Armageddon. I disagree. I think that you can have a film that moves slowly yet doesn't bore the audience to the point of exhaustion. 2001: A Space Odyssey has moments in it that are interesting, though they are few and far between. In its day, 2001: A Space Odyssey was a groundbreaking movie; today, it's dull and slow, left in the dust of such monoliths as George Lucas' Star Wars...
:shock: #-o :(

I suppose each generation gets the 'monoliths' they deserve.
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#30 Post by Mr Sausage »

colinr0380 wrote:You missed this one Herr Schreck:
I realize that Kubrick was attempting to do something different, to make…a statement with the way 2001: A Space Odyssey was made. In some viewers' eyes, he has succeeded. In my eyes he needs a better editor. I'm sure that some may argue that I'm too used to the hip-hoppin' zip-bang-boom pace of today's movies, such as the MTV style editing of such films as Armageddon. I disagree. I think that you can have a film that moves slowly yet doesn't bore the audience to the point of exhaustion. 2001: A Space Odyssey has moments in it that are interesting, though they are few and far between. In its day, 2001: A Space Odyssey was a groundbreaking movie; today, it's dull and slow, left in the dust of such monoliths as George Lucas' Star Wars...
:shock: #-o :(

I suppose each generation gets the 'monoliths' they deserve.
Then 50% of all online DVD reviewers must be from the same generation, because they all seem to have gone into the business because of their Star Wars pillow-cases.
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#31 Post by domino harvey »

To be fair, these reviews are walks in the park compared to the critical writings of Alex Jackson
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#32 Post by Travis »

I can't even read that.

I took one look at his Casino review and it was just like no.

To be fair, anything beats what Berardinelli just wrote for Zodiac.
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#33 Post by colinr0380 »

Mr_sausage wrote:Then 50% of all online DVD reviewers must be from the same generation, because they all seem to have gone into the business because of their Star Wars pillow-cases.
I had Ghostbusters quilt covers. It doesn't mean I hate The Innocents because nobody got 'slimed' :wink:
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#34 Post by davebert »

Thank god I left the racket and everyone single review is now lost to the ravages of time. The thing I have always found most despicable about the Verdict, and I haven't even seen this raised yet, is the ridiculously hammy faux-court aesthetic. For lack of extras and yellow subtitles, I give this disc 25 to life!
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#35 Post by Mr Sausage »

colinr0380 wrote:
Mr_sausage wrote:Then 50% of all online DVD reviewers must be from the same generation, because they all seem to have gone into the business because of their Star Wars pillow-cases.
I had Ghostbusters quilt covers. It doesn't mean I hate The Innocents because nobody got 'slimed' :wink:
Wink all you want, but you and I both know that if slimer suddenly flew out of a bush and sprayed goo all over Deborah Kerr you'd soil yourself in joy.
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#36 Post by jt »

domino harvey wrote:To be fair, these reviews are walks in the park compared to the critical writings of Alex Jackson
Who is this guy? I've just checked out a couple of his reviews and they make me feel a bit ill.

He writes eloquently but I can't believe how long he takes to elucidate an entirely ridiculous opinion.

I mean, Jesus, he prefers Michael Bay's remake of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre to the original...
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#37 Post by davebert »

And his Best of 2006 piece called Death of Mr. Lazarescu and The Proposition pieces of shit, he hates on Miami Vice like everyone else, and seems to carry a curious torch for Christianity (in that movies can be objectively dismissed for being morally questionable). What a dude.
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#38 Post by Mr Sausage »

jt wrote:He writes eloquently...
You're being sarcastic, right?
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#39 Post by jt »

Mr_sausage wrote:
jt wrote:He writes eloquently...
You're being sarcastic, right?
Not really, no. I don't really have a problem with his use of language or writing style (based on the hanful of his reviews that I've read), I just disagree with every single point he has to make or opinion he holds...

Ok, he's not exactly Nabokov but his prose is a step up from the semi-literate monkeys at dvdverdict.
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#40 Post by kinjitsu »

jt wrote:
Mr_sausage wrote:
jt wrote:He writes eloquently...
You're being sarcastic, right?
Not really, no. I don't really have a problem with his use of language or writing style (based on the hanful of his reviews that I've read), I just disagree with every single point he has to make or opinion he holds...

Ok, he's not exactly Nabokov but his prose is a step up from the semi-literate monkeys at dvdverdict.
Alex Jackson wrote:And then there is the orgasmic, kaleidoscopic final movement of which, according to lore, the flower children watched under the influence, lying down on the carpet in front of the movie screen. Certainly, it works pretty well when you aren't fried. With the final movement of 2001: A Space Odyssey, you realize that Kubrick has given us the first and only Technicolor silent movie. I discussed much of what this all means in the beginning of the essay, and I suppose I'll leave it at that. I will add that this conclusion is unique to Kubrick's oeuvre. He never seemed to believe we'd get past the ape, or rather the false belief that we are more than one evolutionary level above the ape. It's really quite fitting that he never lived to see the year 2001.
He's joking, right?
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#41 Post by Michael Kerpan »

"Just the place for a Snark!" the Bellman cried,
As he landed his crew with care;
Supporting each man on the top of the tide
By a finger entwined in his hair.

"Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:
That alone should encourage the crew.
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
What i tell you three times is true."

Lewis Carroll, The Hunting of the Snark, Fit the First -- The Landing
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#42 Post by joe »

Jesus, what a mean thread. I wrote for DVD Verdict for a while; technically, I still work there although I haven't contributed anything for a spell. I was always as disturbed as you all with the quippy, dismissive tone, the lack of perspective, the faux-legal nonsense. I always snatched up as many art films as I could, out of a desire that they not fall into the wrong hands. I was able to write about some of my favorite filmmakers, Bresson, Hou, Ford, Mahkmalbaf, etc.; were you to come across my reviews you might find them as ludicrous as some of the examples you've quoted (I've never studied film formally, am just a curious amateur, and I usually skimped on the technical DVD info, since I'm not too sophisticated on that score), but they came from a sincere and film-loving place, and DVD Verdict never interfered with what I wrote or asked me to do anything differently. And there are other writers there, not necessarily the most prolific ones, who are serious as well.

It also bugs me when people who lack a certain kind of taste are dismissed with the kind of vitriol I'm seeing here. I know plenty of people who aren't very sophisticated about film but are otherwise intelligent and worthwhile human beings. Maybe they shouldn't be reviewing DVDs, granted, but the kind of hatred being expressed here seems like the worst kind of prissy snobbery.
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#43 Post by The Invunche »

Do you know where you are?
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#44 Post by colinr0380 »

I would agree joe, I was toying with adding a post to my Star Wars banter to say that I'd read the DVD Verdict review of the Criterion Paul Robeson set, which I thought was one of the best reviews I've read of the set.

We can be a bit of a bitchy forum though - we've had attacks on the criterionforum.com, Empire magazine, that one lady who ran a library and asked what films she should get for it who I don't think ever posted again after we had a bit of a go at her! (I've even had a go at DVD Beaver!)

Some of the DVD Verdict reviews were silly, and I agree with davebert that perhaps the reviews in the style of a judge can be a bit constrictive, but I don't think the people there should take them too much to heart - at the very least I think it means that the sites have a lot of readers!

In the end we could say the same things about our forum if we quoted one of Yilmaz Guney's old posts and suggested that all the postings here were like that!
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#45 Post by Gregory »

Alex Jackson wrote:Kubrick has given us the first and only Technicolor silent movie.
He must not have heard of Black Pirate, Toll of the Sea, etc. Why am I not surprised?
As for DVD Verdict, I have often looked at their reviews but I never really noticed the quality of the discussion of the films themselves (or lack thereof) because I skip right over that part and get to the information about length of extras, whether the transfer is anamorphic, etc. I think they provide a good service with that kind of information because they review so many more discs than most other sites. I wouldn't look to a random online DVD reviewer for a good assessment of the merits of a film. I usually know whether or not x film is something I want to watch, and once I do I have my own criteria and interests. I would want to compare my experience of a film with someone else only if I knew the person and could discuss it in person or if he or she has watched it several times and carefully written a critical piece on it. That's not something I would expect to find in a DVD review.
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#46 Post by PhilipS »

Gregory wrote:
Alex Jackson wrote:Kubrick has given us the first and only Technicolor silent movie.
He must not have heard of Black Pirate, Toll of the Sea, etc. Why am I not surprised?
2001 was in Metrocolor, so he's wrong on both counts.
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#47 Post by HerrSchreck »

joe wrote:Jesus, what a mean thread.

It also bugs me when people who lack a certain kind of taste are dismissed with the kind of vitriol I'm seeing here.

I know plenty of people who aren't very sophisticated about film but are otherwise intelligent and worthwhile human beings.

Maybe they shouldn't be reviewing DVDs, granted, but the kind of hatred being expressed here seems like the worst kind of prissy snobbery.
Oh come on, Joe. I think you're personalizing or internalizing some of the offhanded ballbusting far beyond the intent. I don't think any of the grabassing going on here is any more insulting or hateful than some of the heavy & colorful snapping on the films themselves that goes on in the reviews. (Again, I really think "hateful" takes things a bit far, and assumes a certain obsession or at least internalization far beyond what an online dvd review deserves in the overal scheme of the human universe!) You have reviewers there straining themselves to as colorfully as possible rip to pieces widely beloved and classic films, films which they know that casual fans and cineastes alike not only "like" but worship and have made a part of cultural mythology. Certainly the reviewers know that this is a risky business, especially when the tone taken by the reviewer is that of snarkmaster general, embellishing his dismissal of classic films (and by extension, the taste of a hell of a lot of consumers) with what is intented to be a laugh-studded, wryly sardonic, "for the first time ever, the truth about "_________".

Public criticism is a risky business in the age of the internet. Formerly, in the days of a few mags & once-a-week network newsshow reviews, critics might expect a few letters to the editor calling them on a mean or "off" review. Nowadays its a 2-way street. And I'd lightly suggest that if you can't withstand return-serves off of that which you are dishing out, you are probably in the wrong business.

As an afterthought I'd ask everybody to remember how extremely agonizing it is for artists of any field to have their life's work torn to pieces by critics. (No critic should ever really complain, as they hold jobs that in reality nobody should really get to have-- in my humble opinion it should be a rotating public job like jury duty. We're all just fans: what is a critic but a "professional fan"?) Imagine having smart asses around the world sitting behind PC's in their dens publicly tearing apart the work you do in your 9-5 job, searching out private tidbits about you, laughing at your failures and rubbing it in with smug sarcasm & gymnastic linguistic usages designed to make you and your life's work sound as pathetic & laughable as possible. I recall the documentary on my 25th anniversary edition vhs of MIDNIGHT COWBOY, where John Schlesinger recounts how "I wiped my bottom with the review from..." (I can't remember for certain as I haven't pulled it out in a while but I believe the review was from the Village Voice.)
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#48 Post by alandau »

The review on ARABIAN NIGHTS 1942 is all wrong. The Technicolor transfer is brilliant, the best to date, in my opinion. Did the reviewer watch the correct version?

Beaver is on the ball, as is DVD Talk
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#49 Post by joe »

HerrSchreck wrote:Oh come on, Joe. I think you're personalizing or internalizing some of the offhanded ballbusting far beyond the intent. I don't think any of the grabassing going on here is any more insulting or hateful than some of the heavy & colorful snapping on the films themselves that goes on in the reviews. (Again, I really think "hateful" takes things a bit far, and assumes a certain obsession or at least internalization far beyond what an online dvd review deserves in the overal scheme of the human universe!)
Yeah, hateful is a bit much, you're right. But the stuff about Bill Gibron seemed to go beyond "offhanded ballbusting." You can disagree with him, but I don't think he fits the profile of the snarky trasher of classic films, and he doesn't deserve what he got in this thread. That's all.
HerrSchreck wrote:Public criticism is a risky business in the age of the internet. Formerly, in the days of a few mags & once-a-week network newsshow reviews, critics might expect a few letters to the editor calling them on a mean or "off" review. Nowadays its a 2-way street. And I'd lightly suggest that if you can't withstand return-serves off of that which you are dishing out, you are probably in the wrong business.

Well, I personally am not dishing out anything. I've always tried to be respectful. This isn't about me. You're preaching to the choir; I hate the snarkiness too.
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#50 Post by Belmondo »

I cannot remember the source, but I do remember the exact quote regarding the best response of an artist to a critic - "I am sitting in the smallest room in my house; I have your review in front of me; soon it will be behind me." Beyond that, I must agree with Joe that things are getting way too nasty over here. If a "volunteer" posts a review on DVD Verdict, then he becomes enough of a "professional" critic to leave himself open to heavy criticism, and that is fine with me. But all of this seems to prompt an ever increasing, and increasingly vitriolic, back and forth that soon undercuts the enjoyment we should be feeling as we talk to each other. The Verdict Jury Room is fun. Are we having fun over here or are we taking movies (excuse me, "films") so personally that we now post endless threads on one Forum to complain about another Forum? I am a pseudo intellectual snob and my son is a mainstream movie lover - we both get what we want out of movies and we don't get nasty when we disagree. Can you say the same?
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