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Re: A Serious Man (Coen Brothers, 2009)

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:34 am
by Max von Mayerling
Well, I think they make some damn fine trailers.

Re: A Serious Man (Coen Brothers, 2009)

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:32 am
by Cormac
The trailer looks great. I read the script earlier this year and was a little confused as to how they would pull off some of the scenes. After seeing how they applied gestures and sounds to create rythmic tension I now have an idea of how the movie will be. Fans of Barton Fink rejoice. Possible atmospheric musical with out music? hhhhrrrrmmmm....? I am now very excited about this film.

Re: A Serious Man (Coen Brothers, 2009)

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:58 pm
by Jeff
Image

Re: A Serious Man (Coen Brothers, 2009)

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:32 pm
by Antoine Doinel
The story behind the trailer.

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:17 am
by rs98762001
As strange and mordantly funny as ever, this might actually be the Coens' bleakest film yet - after the brilliant No Country and sorely underrated Burn After Reading, it's the final piece of what I guess you could call their Nihilism Trilogy. The usual complaints about the Coens - their tendency to caricature people physically and verbally, their over-exaggerated visual style, the cheap laughs, etc - will be trotted out again for this one. But more unsettling still is the fact that this time they're turning it all on their own people. From the close-ups of big noses, to the kids falling asleep in Hebrew school, to the rabbis who impart no wisdom whatsoever, to the ultimate conclusion that random affliction will always win out no matter how closely you follow rituals and religious advice, the Coens better get their helmets on and prepare to be eviscerated as self-hating Jews. I'm not certain if that's true, or if it's more the case that, as Larry David says, "I hate myself, but it's not because I'm Jewish." Either way, although I enjoyed the film quite a bit and find it hard to get out of my head, I must say I'm beginning to miss the humanism and three-dimensionality seen in films like Fargo and The Big Lebowski.

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:20 pm
by Marcel Gioberti
From the Village Voice:
As usual, though, the Coens have more venal satisfactions in mind. "The fun of the story for us," they crow in the notes for this loathsome movie, "was inventing new ways to torture Larry."
After the very disappointing Burn After Reading, this just sounds like more of their half-hearted laziness. I'm not sure why they make this kinda stuff, unless it's just a cash grab, which seems unlikely. They could have made Burn After Reading bound, gagged, and with both hands tied behind their backs.

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:49 pm
by Finch
3 1/2 (out of four) from Slant Magazine:

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Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:05 pm
by rs98762001
Taylor's Village Voice review is over the top and mildly hysterical; it's almost as if that's the exact reaction the Coens are trying to provoke from certain Jewish quarters. It's a strange day when Armond's review is far more accurate than that of Ella.

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:16 am
by Cde.
Mr Finch wrote:3 1/2 (out of four) from Slant Magazine:

http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/film_ ... sp?ID=4555" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I find Fernando F. Croce to be pretty trustworthy, and he was no fan of Burn After Reading, so this is good to see.

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:31 am
by Jeff
Glenn Kenny likes the film, gives credit to his arch-nemesis, Armond White, and calls Ella Taylor "a consistent ninny whose oeuvre constitutes a very persuasive argument for the abolition of film criticism."

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:01 pm
by Cash Flagg
David Denby:
...in the end titles, the Coens have inserted, after the names of hardworking laboratories, the words “No Jews were harmed in the making of this motion picture.” Very good; first rate, in fact. But I’m not sure it’s true. I know of at least two Jews who were harmed—Ethan and Joel Coen.

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:33 am
by manicsounds
So, after having an oscar for Best Picture for "No Country...", a #1 opening film with "Burn..", Focus dumps this film into 6 theaters opening weekend? What's the strategy here?

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:35 am
by knives
The same they take with most special releases, I even think No Country had this type of release. You start small to build up traction and as it gets word of mouth they expand it and the film makes more money than it otherwise would have. Fox Searchlight has had several $100 mil+ using that format.

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:45 am
by knives
I mostly loved this film, I wish they could commit to its reality the way they did with Barton Fink, but otherwise I have no complaints. I really hope Deakins finally gets that damned Oscar as this is some of his best work in a decade. Could someone give a compelling argument for the ending though. Unlike the past two films this seems the way it does for shits and giggles. I'm not asking for narrative closure, but emotional closure would be nice. Please, though, somebody defend it so I can like this movie with as little reservations as possible.

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:20 pm
by sammy h
I found the film terrible, with funny random moments scattered about. Feeling like they shot a first draft that needed more work, A Serious Man pushes the worst aspects of their filmmaking to the fore. Narrative ideas and themes are introduced as Big Issues that go nowhere (the opening scene, the brother's notebook to give just two examples). Everything is in service of whatever immediate gag is right in front of them, emotional honesty and tonal consistency be damned. Which would be fine if they committed to that, like an all out domestic slapstick comedy-instead they keep hinting at something deeper, without willing to truly explore any of the relationships between Larry and his wife, his brother, his kids. Loose ends abound, and not one character breaks from whatever first impression is created. Like much of their work, it has the veneer of depth, without the real thing.
The one great thing about the film, which kept me at least interested for the first hour, was the perfect recreation of a very specific milieu, so folks who grew up in orthodox jewish communities will have a lot of insidery jokes to chuckle about. Kudos to their art director!

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:49 am
by Cronenfly
knives wrote:Could someone give a compelling argument for the ending though. Unlike the past two films this seems the way it does for shits and giggles. I'm not asking for narrative closure, but emotional closure would be nice. Please, though, somebody defend it so I can like this movie with as little reservations as possible.
Though I think that I largely agree with sammy h (some good, a lot of bad, particularly with regard to character development outside of Larry, despite the best efforts of [most] of the cast), here's my defense of the ending, particularly as it relates to the opening (not the Dybbuk prologue, though: I'll leave the attempt to explain the relevance of that to anyone else who's willing). Major spoilers:
Spoiler
The most important character link (and the key to the film’s ending/message, if there indeed is one) in the film is between Larry and his son. This is most obvious in the way the film is bookended (apart from the prologue) by very closely linked sequences crosscutting between father and son.

It didn’t make sense to me at first that Larry’s visit to the doctor should come so far apart from the receiving of the x-ray results which presumably spell death for him one way or another. Though I’m sure x-rays took a lot longer to develop/check in the ‘60s, the call from the doctor comes (crucially) right after Larry’s decided to keep the money Clive (the Korean kid) and his father have offered Larry to give Clive a passing grade (it comes, in fact, right as Larry writes the minus after Clive’s newly appointed C). To me this is the only point in the film where Larry truly goes against his morals (and in such a relatively frivolous manner, too, given all he’s been through), and the exact timing of the doctor’s phone call seems to suggest that only now is the cosmos truly turning against him.

In contrast to Larry is his son, who we see get his radio stolen in the opening, which also contains the money he owes the dope-dealing kid. Both son and father get one “miracle” in the movie, in my view: Larry’s son gets his by being able to successfully complete his bar mitzvah even though he’s super stoned (and by all accounts a crappy student), while Larry’s is the death of Sy Ableman. The latter may be a stretch (seeing as Larry has to foot the bill for his funeral), but during the bar mitzvah Larry’s wife both reveals some affection to Larry for the first time (perhaps suggesting they might patch things up), while tying up the mystery of who was sending the defamatory notes to Larry’s tenure committee (and also validating Larry as the truly “serious man” vis-à-vis Ableman).

Through a result of both of these “miracles”, Larry’s son gets his radio/$20 back, and Larry’s tenure (and perhaps even his marriage) seem likely to pull through. However, both Larry and his son waste these opportunities (Larry more pronouncedly in finally accepting the bribe [no more a serious man, and no better than Ableman, really], his son in continuing to be a bad student/ignoring Rabbi Marshak’s advice to be a good boy), and both have to face up to the consequences (in this case, death by terminal illness/tornado). Both of them fail to fulfill their higher moral obligations (Larry perhaps moreso, but in context his son fails just as much) by instead fulfilling temporary, material ones (bills to pay, pot money/a way to relieve boredom). God (or whoever) gave each of them a second chance, and they misunderstood their value/blew them. This, to me, explains the apocalyptic ending, which I find easier to swallow now having thought through it at length, though I found it unnecessarily abrupt/trivial at first. For all Larry’s struggles and good intentions, he cannot measure up when it counts most, and neither can his son, it would seem. It could all just be a cruel joke, of course (everybody dies eventually, whether we do bad or good), but I like to think there’s at least the possibility that the Coens are suggesting, as Larry says to Clive earlier, that actions do have consequences, however random the universe may seem at times (and particularly as it stands in this movie). By forgetting his own one true belief (and saving grace), Larry seals his fate. Perhaps his son will make it into the school's cellar and survive the tornado, but will he change his life for the better or just keep on wasting it?

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:18 am
by knives
I can take that. That was sort of the thing I was suspecting (a failed Job) and having it explained so eloquently just seals the deal for me. Thank you.

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:55 pm
by oh yeah
I think this might, in fact, be their best film. For me, it's certainly their most moving.

The ending left me speechless. Absolutely speechless.

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:11 pm
by Mesh
sammy h wrote: Like much of their work, it has the veneer of depth, without the real thing.
That works for this story though.
Spoiler
Every single rabbi thrives on cultivating his own veneer of depth, but has little to offer a man who's faith is legitimately shaken. The final rabbi's Jefferson Airplane line-up recitation and quote is the punchline on this facet of the subtext. The trappings of his hermitage hint at a complex wisdom he doesn't seem to have. His advice is just to "Be good" while the entirety of the movie is about God's challenges to that ideal.

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:12 am
by domino harvey
Saw this yesterday and thought it was pretty unbearable. The Coens' standard practice of casting bizarre-looking extras contributed too heavily to the film's overextended effort to make Judaism as alien as possible, and the whole thing was just one big ugly MASH note to stereotypes (Numerous Jewish archtypes, Vets, Me So Solly-Asians, lonely housewives, stoner teens, &c) glossed up with painful aesthetic "cuteness." The film cues those watching to share the filmmaker's superiority and hearing an audience laugh uproariously at Judaism when even basic elements were invoked made me sick

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:41 am
by kaujot

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:37 am
by Grand Illusion
Don't know how to address this without discussing the ending:
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I can relate personally to the film, especially growing up as an atheist Jew, and I don't believe that my experience can be removed from my criticism of the film. I see A Serious Man as the Coens' most religious film. For me, I agree philosophically with No Country For Old Men more, but this film is structurally improved and has a definite powerhouse ending.

The final image of the tornado, God's wrath, forming on the horizon is chilling. In the story's obvious influence, Job is put through all of the worst trials by God, but he is rewarded when he will not renounce his faith. In A Serious Man, Larry Gopnik is put through similar hardships. After some of the hardships begin to fade, it appears as though there is a light at the end of the tunnel. His son gets Bar Mitzvah'ed, his antagonist is dead, and his marriage may be repaired.

The one last trouble is finances. Always money tempts us (same as in No Country) . All the hardships have worn on Larry, though. In the process, he lost his faith. Some of God's messengers can be unreliable (like the Junior Rabbi), but Larry was warned at the pool of all the gifts that God had supposedly bestowed on him. And yet he gives in.

He submits in the most innocuous way, but, symbolically, this is the loss of his faith in right and wrong, in the Cosmic Order of things. So God replies, "You think you had it bad before? Defy me, and I'll give you cancer and kill your eldest son."

This is an Old Testament god. This is a vengeful god. But, nonetheless, this is an affirmation that a god is still there. A stark difference from No Country's silent or non-existent god. With the quick cuts from Larry entering in a false grade on a student's report card to the phone call from his doctor to a tornado coming for Larry's son, there is no other explanation. This is simple cause-and-effect editing. This is not the sign of the "random acts" that the Coen brothers are being attributed.

Aside from the ending, which is bleak but spiritual, the film is filled with some great dark humor. Personally, I loved their take on the simultaneously tedious and horrifying ritual of the Bar Mitzvah. I'd be hard-pressed to find a more awkward and terrifying event in my own life, and that mood is recaptured here through the eyes of Larry's son and through the wonderfully exaggerated sound design.

Deakins's cinematography always frames Larry to be overwhelmed, framed-in, or just plain tiny. The man has been literally pushed into a corner. It's hard not to root for the guy. The narrative structure of Larry seeing each individual as a new test of faith is perfect for the Coens' style of emphasizing supporting roles. It also matters less that they offer minimal character depth in these roles because it is precisely the impact on Larry that matters most.

Overall, I found the film to be touching and funny. And while I disagree, philosophically, with the ending, it's hard not to see its power and resonance. I file this with The Virgin Spring, another film where the spiritual ending is a turn-off for me, but the film retains power despite my personal politics.

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:21 am
by Le Feu Follet
I saw this yesterday and found it dark - in its meanings and cinematographically. It abounds in those elements of the Coen brothers work that I like least - parodies and archetypes instead of characters with much complexity, and faces often shot in distorting close-up. The fact that it is directed at characters of their own ethnicity doesn't make much difference. Creating characters to make fun of just seems too easy - like putting a fish in a barrel and shooting it. Some of the characterisations are quite funny and there are things to chuckle at as it goes along. I'm not sure I've figured out what the pre-credit scene was all about. I think Blood Simple is my favourite film of theirs, followed by The Big Lebowski.

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:09 pm
by cdnchris
I sort of picked up on the quantum physics stuff once the cat paradox was introduced, but after reading this little thing on Ebert's site I have to say my appreciation for the movie went up quite a bit (and I liked it well enough to being with.) The opening makes a little more sense to me now, or at least fits better with the rest of the film (I honestly couldn't figure out how the beginning fit with everything else.)

Re: A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:58 am
by knives
The Psi thing was new to me. Got to love an obscure pun. As for the rest, the cat really seems to be extended to god even in the films questions. He's in an unfalsifiable box where he both exists and doesn't.