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eez28 wrote:The first trailer I posted a while ago is now set to private.

Here is a new link.

"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc."

holy batcopyright! we've been defeated again!

Yikes. I'll wait for it to go online in HD in the next day or two rather than deal with a videophone abomination.

Nice trailer.

The shot of Ledger in a cell (or corner?) looking up was pretty horrific.

How are they possibly going to make Burger King toys out of this

Cue: DrewReiber

Another poster

The new trailer will be official here on sunday

Napoleon wrote:You don't need imagine anymore! Come to Europe where every Town and City has been cobbled together over the course of a few centuries.

Yes, but none of them that I've ever visited actually look like the poster. Sure, the streets are convoluted, but are there any densely spaced, skyscraper megalopolises? I mean, even Tokyo doesn't look like this (and a more confusing place, I've never seen.)

Jean-Luc Garbo wrote:I don't know about Boston or Europe (great joke btw), but it looks like LA to me. I miss the Gotham of the animated series.

Unfortunately Tim Burton set the bar too high with his vision of Gotham city..Very cartoonish and unrealistic but that was the whole point after all..
Am I the only one not excited about this film ?

LionelHutz wrote:

Jean-Luc Garbo wrote:I don't know about Boston or Europe (great joke btw), but it looks like LA to me. I miss the Gotham of the animated series.

Unfortunately Tim Burton set the bar too high with his vision of Gotham city..Very cartoonish and unrealistic but that was the whole point after all..
Am I the only one not excited about this film ?

Probably not, but count me among those who think Nolan's contribution is far greater than Burton's.

jbeall wrote:

LionelHutz wrote:Am I the only one not excited about this film ?

Probably not, but count me among those who think Nolan's contribution is far greater than Burton's.

Fair enough,I know it's a cliche but Burton's film really was all "style over substance".
And in the "style" department I think Nolan's batman was pretty much lacking.
I also happen to think a comic book movies should play most of their cards in order to create a mood.Although I know most people would disgree..

LionelHutz wrote:Am I the only one not excited about this film ?

I'm curious, but I wouldn't say very excited. I understand that Burton had the freedom to really push the design of his film, but does Nolan really have to just embrace the banal as a counterpoint? My god, the new foreign poster is Batman standing in what looks like an office in a building. Why don't we just have him sitting in a swivel chair while on a concerned conference call with the Joker for the next one?

I still say the script and cast was pretty much the backbone of the last one and Goyer's departure as full screenwriter has me tremendously concerned.

=P~

Antoine Doinel wrote:=P~

Surprise!!!!!!

I anxiously await your dissertion on all that is wrong with the trailer.

MOM DAD PLEASE STOP FIGHTING

I've also been thinking about the Burton vs. Nolan argument when it comes to the design of Gotham. For me, I'm glad Nolan is playing it completely straight in terms of Gotham, treating it as a real, actual, living and breathing city rather than Burton's nearly fairy tale take (which certainly worked within its context). However, I think Nolan's vision makes the appearance of these larger than life heroes and villains that much more absurd and menacing. In Burton's world, someone like the Joker practically fits in, where in Nolan's vision his appearance is all the more discomforting because it doesn't seem possible a person like that could be a product of that environment.

Antoine Doinel wrote:I anxiously await your dissertion on all that is wrong with the trailer.

I'm just having fun when it's my turn to take a random shot at you.

Actually, you will be pleased to hear I don't have that much to complain about. Well, aside from that ridiculous moment with Batman surprise attacking Joker while obviously in his field of vision (typical Batman Begins-style photography). I also saw the IMAX intro in the theatre and was very surprised to see that there was thought and commitment in the camera work and not at all indicative of the first film's visual trappings (so far).

Here's to hoping for the best. Until these new Marvel movies arrive and prove their merit, The Dark Knight is the leader of the currently weakening comic book movie genre.

DrewReiber wrote:

Antoine Doinel wrote:I anxiously await your dissertion on all that is wrong with the trailer.

I'm just having fun when it's my turn to take a random shot at you.

Fair enough

This may sound weird, but I think this will finally put Chris Nolan on the map, or in essence cement his reputation/potential. Perhaps it's just good editing (I doubt it!), but I think this will go down in the annals of great sequels, like T2, Empire, Godfather II, X2, etc, etc, etc... Nolan's confidence and resources here are limitless, and I'm totally enthused at the chance to see what it will finally be like. In a way, it's sad that such artistry and high-budget triumph is usually afforded only through franchises and sequels (or both, obviously)... which, in a weird tangent, is why I so admire Cameron's Titanic, although the ship's popularity through the decades in all shades and colors was already so apparent (but still, you know?!)... Oh, and Heath Ledger never looked better. I don't mean that back-handed, I'm just finally excited to see him in something. Again, all the stars seem to be aligning for this film, but maybe that's just the PR team at WB - we'll see...

No Katie Holmes and a cooler villain? It's already better than Batman Begins.

Looks really good, but I still can't quite get over the whole batbike (not intending to start up that whole discussion again, just saying it doesn't look too good to me). However, I'm sure that by the time this opens, I couldn't care less about whatever bikes Bruce Wayne happens to have.

I've the feeling this'll be the film Batman Begins should've been.

Antoine Doinel wrote: For me, I'm glad Nolan is playing it completely straight in terms of Gotham, treating it as a real, actual, living and breathing city rather than Burton's nearly fairy tale take (which certainly worked within its context). However, I think Nolan's vision makes the appearance of these larger than life heroes and villains that much more absurd and menacing. In Burton's world, someone like the Joker practically fits in, where in Nolan's vision his appearance is all the more discomforting because it doesn't seem possible a person like that could be a product of that environment.

I see your point..Unfortunately I can't help but find the appearance of larger than life heroes and villains absurd in such a realistic context.
Begins take itself far too seriously and while Nolan's choice to make everything rationale (I could see they tried a bit too hard with the batmobile though) is admirable I think it doesn't really fit with the characters.
We are basically saying the same thing,only I see it from a different perspective.
It's just my taste,to me the whole purpose of a comic book movie is to create a mood and the right atmosphere. I only happen to think Begins is really lacking in the "style" department.Beatty's "Dick Tracy" is a mediocre film,but I can't think of a comic book film which captured the mood of the source better than that one.

LionelHutz wrote:Begins take itself far too seriously and while Nolan's choice to make everything rationale (I could see they tried a bit too hard with the batmobile though)

I think he tries too hard most of the time. I'm sorry, but it's friggin' ridiculous that (referencing IMAX footage here)

Spoiler

a bunch of henchmen in the heat of a major bank heist need to drop ADR'd dialogue about why and how the Joker looks the way he does in the first 60 seconds of the movie. That's some seriously forced and unnecessary exposition basically apologizing to the audience so they feel more comfortable with what they're about to see.