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Re: Kino
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:54 pm
by zedz
HerrSchreck wrote:Sad when you get a better transfer of a PD noir that always languished in the Roan Group no-mans' land, than a top of the line Ophuls on CC. . .
. . . that's undergone a "full restoration"!
Re: Kino
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:25 pm
by jsteffe
albucat wrote:Their transfer for The Sacrifice was pretty good, but it definitely had some DNR issues. I'm still happy to own a copy, but it's far from perfect.
From what I understand, for THE SACRIFICE they had clean up a lot of dirt on the image. I suspect that this, together with the extremely dark scenes in the nighttime section of the film, pushed the limits of the tools they had to work with. I also noticed some mild compression issues, but like you I'm happy to have the film on Blu-ray, and I feel it still looks far better than anything else out there. I know they put a lot of work into the color timing in particular, which is really important for that film.
My gut instinct tells me that NOSTALGIA will be a stronger Blu-ray. I suspect (though I may be wrong) that better materials are available for it.
Re: Kino
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:07 pm
by solaris72
jsteffe wrote:From what I understand, for THE SACRIFICE they had clean up a lot of dirt on the image. I suspect that this, together with the extremely dark scenes in the nighttime section of the film, pushed the limits of the tools they had to work with. I also noticed some mild compression issues, but like you I'm happy to have the film on Blu-ray, and I feel it still looks far better than anything else out there. I know they put a lot of work into the color timing in particular, which is really important for that film.
My gut instinct tells me that NOSTALGIA will be a stronger Blu-ray. I suspect (though I may be wrong) that better materials are available for it.
As I recall, they didn't do theatrical screenings of the SACRIFICE print, the fact that they're doing screenings of the NOSTALGHIA print (and the good reports of its condition) may be a good sign.
Re: Kino
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:51 am
by Black Hat
I have to chime in along with the others here and say the print they screened over the summer looked majestic.
Re: Kino
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:44 pm
by Berzeli
With regards to their print of The Sacrifice, the Swedish Film Institute did a new digital restoration this spring from a 35 mm positive (IIRC). Not sure if it was 4K or 2K (and the screening I attended was very light on technical specifications), but it was a terrific print. Nice grain structure, no noise (except for two minor, and I do mean minor occasions), no clearly visible edge-enhancement, seems to have way better colours and black levels than the Kino version (which I admittedly haven't seen so going off caps here), two instances of colour flickering but nothing major.
Would be terrific if someone could do a release of this digital restoration, but then again Swedish film outside of Bergman rarely gets good treatment in the DVD/blu-ray market.
Re: Kino
Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:12 am
by peerpee
Berzeli wrote:With regards to their print of The Sacrifice, the Swedish Film Institute did a new digital restoration this spring from a 35 mm positive (IIRC). Not sure if it was 4K or 2K (and the screening I attended was very light on technical specifications), but it was a terrific print. Nice grain structure, no noise (except for two minor, and I do mean minor occasions), no clearly visible edge-enhancement, seems to have way better colours and black levels than the Kino version (which I admittedly haven't seen so going off caps here), two instances of colour flickering but nothing major.
Would be terrific if someone could do a release of this digital restoration, but then again Swedish film outside of Bergman rarely gets good treatment in the DVD/blu-ray market.
Email Artificial Eye in London and let them know!
Re: Kino
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:45 am
by manicsounds
DVDtalk review of "Computer Chess"
Love the cover and disc artwork. Too bad they didn't go for a BD.
Re: Kino
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:59 pm
by Murdoch
That special interest sticker is great.
Re: Kino
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:34 am
by manicsounds
DVDBeaver on the "Russian Ark" BD
Missing are the "Hubert Robert A Fortunate Life - Documentary film by Alexander Sokurov" and text materials from the DVD edition.
Re: Kino
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:55 am
by Minkin
manicsounds wrote:DVDBeaver on the "Russian Ark" BD
Missing are the "Hubert Robert A Fortunate Life - Documentary film by Alexander Sokurov" and text materials from the DVD edition.
And also the Commentary and Mon Paradis interviews from the Wellspring DVD. So, in other words, keep your DVDs or wait for Artificial Eye/Curzon/bond-company to upgrade it. I always hate it when something gets downgraded like this (where only the Picture/audio improves).
Re: Kino
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:30 am
by Zot!
The feature looks about a million times better than any of the previous DVDs, however. Sold.
Re: Kino
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:59 am
by zedz
manicsounds wrote:DVDBeaver on the "Russian Ark" BD
Missing are the "Hubert Robert A Fortunate Life - Documentary film by Alexander Sokurov" and text materials from the DVD edition.
I wouldn't assume that the rights for the Robert film are still available along with those of
Russian Ark. In the years since the DVD came out it was released by a different company (on the now OOP
Elegy of a Voyage DVD).
Re: Kino
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:09 am
by warren oates
I'm definitely keeping my Wellspring DVD, but it shouldn't be a dealbreaker for those on the fence. The commentary and the making-of doc cover a lot of the same territory.
Re: Kino
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:23 pm
by FrauBlucher
Re: Kino
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:22 pm
by swo17
No effort to make this one look like a Criterion release:

Re: Kino
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:44 pm
by HerrSchreck
Maybe one of their bad covers . . . but I really don't see it.
Re: Kino
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:45 pm
by swo17
I was making reference to how their cover for
The Sacrifice was clearly aping Criterion:

Re: Kino
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:48 pm
by domino harvey
If they'd kept the typeface of the first and used the image of the second, that'd be a good cover. Now it's only a good cover if you hold each cover in either hand and keep your focus in the middle as you gradually move each towards the other
Re: Kino
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:55 pm
by jindianajonz
domino harvey wrote:If they'd kept the typeface of the first and used the image of the second, that'd be a good cover. Now it's only a good cover if you hold each cover in either hand and keep your focus in the middle as you gradually move each towards the other
I tried that, but all I could see was a sailboat

Re: Kino
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:20 pm
by med
The typeface is a variant of the one they used on many of their Jean Rollin covers. The name of it escapes me, though.
Re: Kino
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:38 am
by CSM126
That Nostalghia cover is astonishingly bad. Nostalghia is full of gorgeous imagery - they could screen grab any number of moments and have a winner of a cover right there, but they go for some awful photoshop crap like that? I'm still buying it, but if there's some way for me to shrink the Criterion laserdisc cover to the right dimensions to make a blu-sized printout I just might, because that was a better cover by far.
Re: Kino
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:20 am
by warren oates
And not only is it fugly, but it's kind of a
spoiler.
Re: Kino
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:04 pm
by whaleallright
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Re: Kino
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:39 am
by rwaits
I've gotta be honest ... I don't think it's that bad.
Re: Kino
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:58 am
by jheez
Their transfers have generally been top notch lately and are never ruined with DNR. They're also working to improve some things, like including foreign intertitles on foreign silents when available. Different strokes for different folks, but I could really care less what the cover looks like. All I ever see on my shelf is the spine anyway.
EDIT: I guess I'm just continually surprised how much discussion on this forum goes into covers, instead of the films themselves.