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Posted: **Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:56 pm**

FrauBlucher wrote: Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:39 pm Is anyone else surprised that Atlantic City has not been released on bluray or at least licensed out? Not even sure if the Paramount DVD is still in print. Could there be a rights issue for this? This seems like it could be solid Criterion release.

This is one of the "limbo" titles. By that I mean Paramount has a policy to not license out titles they themselves released on DVD. (They have broken this policy for a handful of titles, but only with Criterion). So, titles like Atlantic City, Roman Holiday, Hud, Paper Moon, Bringing Out the Dead, The Court Jester, The Miracle of Morgan's Creek, and The Tenant are languishing on the Blu-ray sideline in North America, because Paramount won't release them themselves, nor will they license them to Kino/Shout/Arrow. So while it's great that Kino (and Olive before them) were able to license so many Republic holdings and never-before-on-DVD titles from Paramount, these more prestigious/popular titles remain absent on Blu-ray.

Disney has the same archaic policy for their Touchstone/Hollywood Pictures titles they didn't previously package to Mill Creek.

Posted: **Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:37 pm**

What a shitty policy. Can Paramount’s rights lapse with Malle’s estate or one of the number of production companies take back rights?

Posted: **Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:48 pm**

With the new animated feature coming out, Paramount will finally be releasing Addams Family Values (1993) on Blu-ray on 10/1/19 (along with reissuing the first film).

Far more surprising, though, is the 9/24/19 release of the Holocaust (1978) Mini-Series.

Posted: **Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:15 pm**

Hopefully this means that the Paramount Vault is finally beginning to crack open. They've been holding too many great films hostage from being preserved on an HD disc for too long.

Posted: **Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:53 pm**

CBS/Paramount are also releasing The Stand (1994) Mini-Series on 9/24/19

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:01 pm**

https://bloody-disgusting.com/home-vide ... s-include/

A ton of Paramount titles coming from Scream Factory, which is a very encouraging sign for consumers of physical media.

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:15 pm**

Paramount is releasing It's A Wonderful Life on UHD on October 29th

Posted: **Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:40 pm**

Paramount loves milking this one title. I can't wait for the holographic version of this.

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:42 am**

The Blu-ray was already poor and outdated quality wise when it was first released 10 years ago. A modern 4K transfer is long overdue. Making it available on UHD with HDR is a sweetener (the latter of which does not imply revisionism, as many will mistakenly think).

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:43 am**

I appreciate their effort to put out IAWL in the best way possible, especially after several Anniversary editions of the same dated transfer. But where in the world are the other great Paramount catalogue titles that seem to be entombed like a bunch of mummies?

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:58 pm**

Just read through the description and this seems unusual: "The 4K Ultra HD Combo Pack includes the black-and-white film in 4K high definition, as well as a colorized version on Blu-ray, along with three special features new to 4K Blu-ray disc: "Restoring a Beloved Classic," "Secrets from the Vault," and "It's A Wonderful Wrap Party." A 2-Disc Blu-ray set will also be available that includes the newly remastered film in black-and-white, along with a colorized version and the three special features listed above."

So you can get the B&W 4K + Colorized BD, OR you can get the B&W BD + Colorized BD. But there's no "future proofing" option if you want the B&W BD now and the B&W 4k disc for later.

And is this the first 4k release of a born-B&W, studio-era film (i.e. excluding the modern B&W de-colorizations like Mad Max)?

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:40 pm**

senseabove wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:58 pmAnd is this the first 4k release of a born-B&W, studio-era film (i.e. excluding the modern B&W de-colorizations like Mad Max)?

Yes. I believe the only other true B&W film on UHD is Schindler's List, though of course that isn't a studio era film nor is it completely B&W.

This won't be the oldest film on UHD for long though as The Wizard of Oz is coming around the same time.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:33 pm**

Then I'll be curious to hear folks who've claimed that B&W film can benefit from HDR as much/more than color chime in once it's out.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:39 pm**

There's a good example of what is possible here.

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:09 pm**

senseabove wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:58 pmAnd is this the first 4k release of a born-B&W, studio-era film (i.e. excluding the modern B&W de-colorizations like Mad Max)?

Depending on how loosely you define 'studio-era', Gaumont's Les Tontons Flingueurs was released back in 2017, which is probably the first B&W classic film on 4K UHD.

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:13 pm**

EddieLarkin wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:39 pm There's a good example of what is possible here.

Thanks! Now I'm going to spend my coffee time googling film stocks.

andyli wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:09 pm Depending on how loosely you define 'studio-era', Gaumont's Les Tontons Flingueurs was released back in 2017, which is probably the first B&W classic film on 4K UHD.

I'd think that qualifies for the purposes of the question, but sounds like that 4k disc doesn't use HDR, which is where the hypothetical benefit would be, if I've understood things correctly.

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:47 pm**

Yes, due to the diminishing returns one experiences with every doubling of resolution, watching a 4K transfer in 2160p is not going to be hugely different to watching it in 1080p (and possibly not at all from the more common viewing distances). Certainly not anything like the revelatory difference between 1080p and SD. This is why UHDs of 2K films are just as worthy as a 4K, because HDR is what makes the real difference.

Texas Chain Saw Massacre is available on a non-HDR 4K disc in Germany, but due to the excellent encoding of the 1080p Second Sight disc of the same 4K transfer, the consensus is that the latter is superior.

Posted: **Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:21 pm**

senseabove wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:58 pm Just read through the description and this seems unusual: "The 4K Ultra HD Combo Pack includes the black-and-white film in 4K high definition, as well as a colorized version on Blu-ray, along with three special features new to 4K Blu-ray disc: "Restoring a Beloved Classic," "Secrets from the Vault," and "It's A Wonderful Wrap Party." A 2-Disc Blu-ray set will also be available that includes the newly remastered film in black-and-white, along with a colorized version and the three special features listed above."

So you can get the B&W 4K + Colorized BD, OR you can get the B&W BD + Colorized BD. But there's no "future proofing" option if you want the B&W BD now and the B&W 4k disc for later.

And is this the first 4k release of a born-B&W, studio-era film (i.e. excluding the modern B&W de-colorizations like Mad Max)?

Not studio-era but Schindler's List was "born-B&W".

EDIT: Missed EddieLarkin's post above.

Posted: **Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:42 pm**

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php? ... ount=34208

Paramount will be releasing some of their essentials in 2020

Very exciting, but curious to see what titles and how.

Posted: **Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:37 pm**

I’ll pass judgement when they’re announced. Not confident their ‘essential’ means the same for me

Posted: **Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:06 pm**

I've always felt Paramount thinks Top Gun is their most essential movie. It's been released 14 different ways on blu-ray already.

Posted: **Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:11 pm**

Luke M wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:06 pm I've always felt Paramount thinks Top Gun is their most essential movie. It's been released 14 different ways on blu-ray already.

I'm expecting the 4K UHD of Top Gun next summer when the sequel releases.

Hopefully the "essentials" include Hud and Roman Holiday, among others.

Posted: **Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:52 pm**

If I went UHD this is a title I’d pick up...The Hunt for Red October

Posted: **Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:50 pm**

Some recent comments recently from the KL Insider. They did not get another Paramount deal at this time, but perhaps later in 2020 or 2021. For right now Kino considered the licensing cost too high. So, not sure if any other labels aside from Criterion or Shout will crack the Paramount "previously released on DVD via Paramount" barrier, but perhaps Arrow can still.

KL Insider did suggest again that Paramount intends to step up their catalog BD game in 2020, this time specifically in regards to Targets.

Posted: **Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:28 am**

captveg wrote: Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:50 pm KL Insider did suggest again that Paramount intends to step up their catalog BD game in 2020, this time specifically in regards to Targets.

I think that was in reference to Arthur Penn's Target.

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