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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:04 pm
by Michael Kerpan
I find the cover to be both gorgeous in its own right -- and wonderfully evocative of the film (at least of one stage of the film). In a broader sense, it gives a good sense of an essential aspect of Mizoguchi's overall style.
If one has an insatiable appetite for close-ups, Mizoguchi might prove to be a bit problematic. As for me, while I have some problems with Mizoguchi (here and there), the visual beauty of the films is unquestionable.
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:30 pm
by kinjitsu
However,
Sansho is not without its share of
lovely closeups.
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:39 pm
by Jem
FSimeoni wrote:Jem wrote:I think the characters are too small within the frame, they seem lost. Compare the cover to the Naruse 'Repast' and 'Flowing' cover images, in my opinion they are far more successful.
there's no way anyone in their right mind would manipulate the image.
But the cover image HAS been cropped to fit on the vertical cover format?
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:49 pm
by Awesome Welles
Yes sorry. What I meant was manipulate them so as to distort the feeling of the image. For example making a mid shot a close up. I don't think we lose the artistic integrity of the shot in the image on the cover, whereas if we had an [extreme] close up on one of the women it would be a completely different image to what it is now (and was).
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:36 pm
by Michael Kerpan
kinjitsu wrote:However, Sansho is not without its share of lovely closeups.
Oh, it certainly has some -- but no one with a hard-core close-up addiction would find this film wholly satisfactory in this respect.
;~}
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:35 pm
by Jem
FSimeoni wrote:Yes sorry. What I meant was manipulate them so as to distort the feeling of the image.
Yes, agree they shouldn't do that.
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:37 pm
by kinjitsu
Tommaso wrote:Worth mentioning is that
the play.com site already has the cover design for
Gion bayashi and Sansho dayu, which is not yet on the MoC site. It looks damn gorgeous, so take a look!!
FSimeoni wrote:I have seen it, it's the same cover the BFI used for their cover of their Sansho Dayu VHS. I am waiting to see what the package looks like as well as individual covers on the MoC site.
blindside8zao wrote:It'd be nice if there was some box for this whole series that you could purchase for a few dollars off of the MoC couture section. I'm a little disappointed that I won't get the excitement of getting all of these in one purchase (I love box sets) but at the same time I can understand the better logic of their spacing.
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:39 pm
by kinjitsu
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:56 pm
by Awesome Welles
If this is indeed the final cover art I love it. Decidedly different in tone from the Naruse releases which I had expected the Mizoguchi releases to be similar to. I love the transparent red MoC bar at the top.
Also I would like to add that the full eight Mizoguchi covers can be seen in this month's Sight and Sound (that is if indeed they will become the covers as in the issue they lack English language titles, MoC bar and BBFC logos.
If these covers are kept as seen here, untouched from ghastly BBFC logos I believe that this is a stroke of genius as not only do they offer fans the delight of being able to see the original [unspoilt] posters represented in great quality but they won't also put off newbies (as let's face it to the casual buyer they would look dated and lack any English transliteration) due to the outer casing (whatever it may be made of) featuring the previously seen [more modern] still images.
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:57 pm
by domino harvey
wayyyyyy better than the Sansho cover
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:08 pm
by peerpee
These colour ones that are going up (with no English on) are going to be on the inside of reversible sleeves. The same posters (sans MoC bar) will be on the front and back of the 80-page books.
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:14 pm
by 125100
That's Gorgeous, The Murnau's are sublime and now this

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:10 pm
by Awesome Welles
peerpee wrote:These colour ones that are going up (with no English on) are going to be on the inside of reversible sleeves. The same posters (sans MoC bar) will be on the front and back of the 80-page books.
So what are we looking at here? I imagine that a 96 page book and two discs would never fit in a 2 disc amaray. I would have thought that you would put the two discs in their own cases (with the poster cover art) inside an outer box (or casing) with the still image cover as seen on websites at the moment for
Sansho and
Gion and the book produced dvd case size and put in the case a la Naruse boxset? Am I totally off base your description above alludes to something different.
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:38 pm
by codam
The full eight Mizoguchi covers from this month's Sight and Sound:

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:26 pm
by rwaits
All I can say is... Mamma Mia!
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:23 am
by fred
peerpee wrote:These colour ones that are going up (with no English on) are going to be on the inside of reversible sleeves. The same posters (sans MoC bar) will be on the front and back of the 80-page books.
Please provide full translation of all the Japanese text on these posters somewhere!
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:26 am
by Tommaso
FSimeoni wrote:I imagine that a 96 page book and two discs would never fit in a 2 disc amaray. I would have thought that you would put the two discs in their own cases (with the poster cover art) inside an outer box (or casing) with the still image cover as seen on websites at the moment for Sansho and Gion and the book produced dvd case size and put in the case a la Naruse boxset?
That might be possible, or the will use one of these super-big cases and put the book in there, a la "Kwaidan", in a transparent-case with one poster on each side and then an outer paper box around it which would show the Gion/Sansho design as we already know it. But I would prefer if it would be done a la Naruse. In any case, these poster designs are damn gorgeous.
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:09 pm
by codam
Gion Bayashi
Sansho Dayu
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:27 pm
by Michael Kerpan
These posters are pretty enough -- but I guess I am not as big a fan of original poster art as most here. I find most original posters (classic and otherwise) vastly less sophisticated than the films they promote. A well-selected still often seems (to me) far better to embody the true spirit of a film.
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:32 pm
by rwaits
I just think they're absolutely gorgeous. As a matter of fact, I was extremely close to purchasing one of these originals a few years back for an ungodly sum of money.
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:36 pm
by godardslave
I tend to prefer Criterion's more minimalist and understated designs.
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:51 pm
by kinjitsu
Uwasa no onna
Chikamatsu monogatari
Yokihi
Akasen Chtai
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:02 pm
by videozor
Michael Kerpan wrote:I am not as big a fan of original poster art as most here. I find most original posters (classic and otherwise) vastly less sophisticated than the films they promote. A well-selected still often seems (to me) far better to embody the true spirit of a film.
Can't agree more...
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:03 pm
by kinjitsu
peerpee wrote:These colour ones that are going up (with no English on) are going to be on the inside of reversible sleeves. The same posters (sans MoC bar) will be on the front and back of the 80-page books.
Which means, I assume, that the actual DVD covers will have stills, much like
this one from
Sansho.
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:07 pm
by Michael Kerpan
kinjitsu wrote:Which means, I assume, that the actual DVD covers will have stills, much like
this.
Which is one reason why I _like_ MOC's exterior cover choices so much.