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HerrSchreck
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#326 Post by HerrSchreck »

. . . I mean what's next. . removing the image track of, say, M and replacing it with newly shot footage --yet since the audio track is maintained in tact calling this bastard child M?

I dare say that with afilm like Vampyr, with ( via such minimal dialogue) the soundtrack playing such a critical role in the overall chemistry of the title, removing the audio track to insert your own contemporary score, is a professional grandstanding of the ballsiest type.

Why not extensively edit the texts of Shakespeare and Chaucer and nonetheless release them under their original titles?

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#327 Post by knives »

HerrSchreck wrote: Why not extensively edit the texts of Shakespeare and Chaucer and nonetheless release them under their original titles?
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#328 Post by Tommaso »

Rouben Mamoulian did precisely that with "Hamlet". Seems the man worked several years on it in the 60s. That's what you do when you're not allowed to make films anymore.
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#329 Post by Michael Kerpan »

HerrSchreck wrote:Why not extensively edit the texts of Shakespeare and Chaucer and nonetheless release them under their original titles?
If you read Shaw's drama criticism from the 1890s, producing radically altered Shakespeare plays -- and presenting them as the real thing was still the norm in London. Presenting Shakespeare in unadapted (even if somewhat shortened) form was a novelty then.
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#330 Post by matrixschmatrix »

Most productions of Shakespeare plays feature dramatically shortened texts, and sometimes additional material from other texts.
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#331 Post by MichaelB »

Richard III is only worth performing uncut if it's programmed as part four of a complete Henry VI/Richard III cycle - otherwise, there's far too much stuff that will be incomprehensible if you haven't seen the three preceding plays.

Which is why many standalone adaptations cut anything up to half the original text.
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#332 Post by HerrSchreck »

Sure.. as you can alll probably well imagine, I'm very much aware of the phenomenon of editing play text for stage presentation. . . perhaps owing to this reason my example was not the best one... but what I was talking about was a complete hypothetical or imaginary 100% replacement of the text ( the way in the Dreyer example the audio track is completely replaced) with brand new text in a strictly literary presentation, and rendered under the name of William Shakespeare.
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#333 Post by matrixschmatrix »

I think productions of Shakespeare are a germane example, though. This is not a new print or release of Vampyr in which the soundtrack has been replaced, claiming to be definitive or authoritative- it is a series of specific live performances in which elements of Vampyr have been altered. That seems much more comparable to a specific production of a play than it would be to an altered printing of the text, to me.
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#334 Post by mfunk9786 »

The original soundtrack isn't written in a jaunty outdated centuries-old vernacular
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#335 Post by evillights »

mfunk9786 wrote:The original soundtrack isn't written in a jaunty outdated centuries-old vernacular
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#336 Post by milton s »

How did the father know Allan was at the hotel? He had just checked in. Could it be Allan was summoned to the town of Courtempierre to do a job? In that case the father would be expecting him. The job? To save his daughters life.
This may be why Allan was investigating the area.
Who were the shadows dancing around at night? Possibly the ghosts of previous victims.
Whatever happened to the blood that was removed from the hero Allan? They don't show it but its possible it was bottled & given to the old lady. The doctor made a hasty exit after signaling at the window with a candle. Allen yelled out: "Doctor I'm losing my blood!"
The doctor replied: "I have your blood right here."
So it was not used as a transfusion.

Vampyr has lots of mysteries unsolved.
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#337 Post by milton s »

If Allan's blood was not used to prolong Leone's life, it appears the vampyr lady and the doctor had already decided to do away with Leone. When the vampyr lady shows up early in the film, she hands a bottle of poison to the doctor. This same bottle was left at Leone's bedside table & was grabbed out of her hand by Allan before she could drink it. After awhile the blood of a victim begins to lose its vitality and they need a brand new healthy victim. Leone's sister Gisele was snatched in a quick getaway and was held captive at the Doctor's house.
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#339 Post by Drucker »

Just when you want to count MOC out they come back with something like this. Awesome.
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#340 Post by Finch »

The cover for the hardbound slipcase is great, pity they stuck with the cluttered poster artwork for the keepcase. Also, their website says they are using a 2k restoration from the DFI rather than the 4k scan advertised on the Cineteca Bologna site. I'd be interested in hearing the rationale behind this. The DFI resto was done in 2020, the Italian one followed last year. Is it based on superior materials than the Bologna 4k scan (inclined to doubt that)? If it is not, were the owners of the 4k scan possibly asking for too much money, or was it simply not yielding enough of an improvement to justify the extra expenditure on licensing the 4k scan?
materials from several European archives (including the BFI, CNC and DFI) have been meticulously scanned and assessed to create the highest quality and most faithful version of Vampyr possible.
I wish we had a full breakdown of what the 4k scan contains because of MoC's inclusion of "most faithful" in their blurb. "Highest quality" might be a bit of a stretch when there is a higher resolution scan in existence but again, the Danish restoration "might" be based on better preserved sources. Gah, too many question marks that frankly dampen my enthusiasm for this disc at this point. Hopefully we get clarification or someone with more knowledge of both restorations is able to chime in.

Bonus-wise, we gain a bigger still booklet and three new video interviews.
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#341 Post by Orlac »

The problem with restoring Vampyr is that Dreyer removed some scenes after the Berlin premiere, now lost, causing a plothole. And the Berlin censors removed some footage prior to that which does exist (it's in the French version, which never seemed to have been restored).

So any restoration of the German version has two obstacles to face, whereas the French version likely only faces one -to be fair, I haven't seen the French version so can't confirm its overall survival state.

And the bizzare English version is only avaliable on the grey market, literally!
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#343 Post by Finch »

Okay, someone asked Eureka about the two restorations:
We are aware of a 4K scan having been made by Deutsche Kinemathek and Cineteca di Bologna in 2021. This was taken from the 1998 preservation material, which was created by photochemically copying the various elements found in a number of archives.

This new DFI restoration has gone back to each archive and scanned the originals, all of them a generation closer to the original negative than anything seen before.
Eureka also confirmed their release will be encoded by Fidelity in Motion/David MacKenzie.

Just watched the YT trailer. Looks lovely.
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#344 Post by ryannichols7 »

amazing work by Eureka compiling the extras, definitely looks to be really definitive. I definitely support their decision to use the DFI restoration, I know people are put off by lower resolution but if the restoration is more recent I think that's far more important.

there's been a lot of fanfare for this title on Eureka's social media, I really hope they can sell through it quickly and be encouraged to do more of Dreyer's early silents with the DFI. it's crazy how those still haven't made their way to disc yet
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#345 Post by Calvin »

It sounds like the DFI did a thorough job on it so I'm not put off in the slightest. However, I am baffled as to why the Deutsche Kinemathek and Cineteca di Bologna would do a 4K scan within 12 months of the new DFI restoration; scans and restorations are not free, so why spend money on something that seems - on the face of it - to be unnecessary? They would have had to have been in contact with the DFI to do it, so it's not like they would be unaware. They could have done a 4K scan of The Parson's Widow instead!
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#346 Post by FrauBlucher »

The limited edition pertains to the packaging and the booklet, not the release overall??
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#347 Post by tenia »

From their webpage :
* Limited Edition Hardbound Slipcase [3000 copies]
* A 100-PAGE BOOK - featuring rare production stills, location photography, posters, the 1932 Danish film programme, a 1964 interview with Baron Nicolas de Gunzberg (producer and actor "Allan Gray"), an essay by Dreyer on film style, and writing by Tom Milne, Jean and Dale Drum, and film restorer Martin Koerber [3000 copies]

Everything else will be reissued in a standard release, as usual for Eureka, providing I suppose it makes financially sense to do a 2nd pressing as a standard re-release.
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#348 Post by FrauBlucher »

I thought so but wasn't positive.
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#349 Post by Stefan Andersson »

An article about the film:
https://michaelazerrad.typepad.com/you_ ... ampyr.html

Interesting quote:
"Myths, as Jung famously said, are the dreams of cultures, and Dreyer interweaves myth and dreaming very pointedly at the beginning of the film. An old man stands by a river bank, bearing a large sickle, an iconic symbol of death. The man clangs a bell, summoning a small rowboat, a very definite allusion to Greek mythology, and the way departed souls would summon the boatman Charon to ferry them across the river Styx. But as the film progresses, it becomes apparent that the boat was not taking the man to the underworld, it was taking him away from it. Gray has transgressed into a contemporary Hades that happens to be about 70 miles south of Paris. (In that sense, it anticipates another dream-like black-and-white film, Jean Cocteau's 1949 Orphée.)
Another allusion to classical myth apparently happened by accident: Gray finds his way to a creepy abandoned mill and happens upon a strange man on the stairs; he asks the man about the sounds of barking dogs and crying children. The question was a reference to a scene that was cut from the film, but interestingly, the growling of the three-headed dog Cerberus and the wailing of innocent children are the first two things that Aeneas hears when he enters the underworld with the Sibyl."

According to this article, the film was shot entirely on location, in the French town Courtempierre.

Screenplay in French:
https://www.carlthdreyer.dk/en/carlthdr ... res/vampyr

Another interesting quote:
"There are other scenes that were included in the script and shot that do not exist in any current prints of Vampyr. These scenes reveal the vampire in the factory recoiling against a shadow of a Christian cross as well as a ferryman guiding Gray and Gisèle by getting young children to build a fire and sing a hymn to guide them back to the shore."
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampyr - footnote 14 references Casper Tybjerg´s video essay on the Criterion edition.
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#350 Post by hearthesilence »

Stefan Andersson wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:57 pm An article about the film:
https://michaelazerrad.typepad.com/you_ ... ampyr.html
Cool, I didn't know Azerrad wrote about film too. (Know him primarily through his rock criticism, especially with regards to the alternative and post-punk era.)
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