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domino harvey wrote:I am more worried they're about to serve us some yellowed version like all the other recent French disasters. I wanna see the receipts before I pick this up again!

Studio Canal are working with various labs, so it might avoid some of the heaviest color signatures around (I suppose it's coming from Canal).
If it's coming from Criterion, it's unlikely to have such a color leaning.

Ribs wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:58 pm Re-release in October, with a new transfer

Are we sure this will be a new transfer? Or is this text "new transfer" from the original listing?

The old release wasn't a 2k restoration, and the original listing and liner notes read differently, so this should be a new transfer

therewillbeblus wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:43 pm The old release wasn't a 2k restoration, and the original listing and liner notes read differently, so this should be a new transfer

Thanks for clarifying, great!

Hopefully they untinted the Sam Fuller shot. That's one less thing the blu-ray forums will complain about. Who am I kidding I'm sure they'll tear it apart anyways.

I had bought "Pierrot Le Fou" (fortunately no bronzing) and I like a lot the "old" cover. I bought the Japanese blu-ray of "Alphaville" et "Une Femme est Infâme" (gorgeous color on this one, with the StudioCanal logo) - still crossing the fingers for a blu-ray release.

I sincerely hope that new transfer and new cover (first I thought that there was some new extras such as an exclusive interview with Anna Karina) does not mean Eclair-greenish-yellowish colors like - let's say - the Jacques Tati box set (I tend to prefer the first metallic release of "Playtime" - and the typical greenish palette is obvious on "Trafic")

That begs a good question- is it possible that Criterion will no longer be replacing the bronzing discs from the original printed release once this drops? This might be a good time for those with the OOP Pierrot le Fou to get replacement discs proactively, just in case this new transfer does suck and becomes the only option...

Meanwhile I listed my OOP copy for $50 on Amazon and it sold within 5 minutes. Welp, this better be good

therewillbeblus wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:20 am That begs a good question- is it possible that Criterion will no longer be replacing the bronzing discs from the original printed release once this drops? This might be a good time for those with the OOP Pierrot le Fou to get replacement discs proactively, just in case this new transfer does suck and becomes the only option...

I'm afraid so... But if "Pierrot Le Fou" was part of the replacement series; like "Walkabout"; they did a second pressing (thus a new pressing - as written on the top of the disk) not replacing with old stock (like French QOL used to do).
But we can assume that if the transfer is different (and it will if they change the cover, the menus will change) the disk will be different. Thus they can't continue to press an OOP and "outdated" transfer.
Thus, it's a bit like the same case like J.Tati "Playtime". Had first Blu-Ray Playtime be affected by rot or BR bronzing, would Criterion change the OOP "old" Playtime ? I guess they will agree as long as they have limited stock. The stock of the OOP BR "Pierrot Le Fou" is probably limited.
In a way, the first BR "Pierrot Le Fou" will remain a "most wanted" "very desirable" thing on ebay. Since it will be clearly an alternate transfer (hopefully the new transfer will outdate the first BR Criterion "Pierrot Le Fou", but I have my fears).

I sincerely hope that they won't mess up with the color gradings ("Playtime" was intend to have a metallic look and I've always been disoriented with the greenish palette of "Trafic" vs the Criterion DVD)
"Pierrot Le Fou" is like a fireworks for color. "Playtime" new transfer had more HD details but the flipside of the coin was a color palette for which I was not at ease.
The first Criterion Blu-Ray "Pierrot Le Fou" as some "pop art" color...

Just wait for the captures of Agnès Varda "Le Bonheur" and you will cry. Apparently it will be the same than the UK Artificial Eye transfer. Something really different to the warm color of the DVD Criterion release (it's not that annoying with "Sans Toit Ni Loi" fortunately.

therewillbeblus wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:20 am That begs a good question- is it possible that Criterion will no longer be replacing the bronzing discs from the original printed release once this drops? This might be a good time for those with the OOP Pierrot le Fou to get replacement discs proactively, just in case this new transfer does suck and becomes the only option...

May be too late, because I believe they are still working remotely.

I feel like once the market is saturated with this new release, the price on the old one will come down enough that it shouldn't be too much of a hit to buy it from a third-party seller sometime down the line if that's the way you want to go

my BR Pierrot Le Fou Criterion is okay so far. No visual signs of alteration and I've checked the ID of the disk.

By the way, what is the cute pet on the table in Pierrot Le Fou : looks to me like a fox but it could be a fennec ?

black&huge wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:27 pm Hopefully they untinted the Sam Fuller shot. That's one less thing the blu-ray forums will complain about. Who am I kidding I'm sure they'll tear it apart anyways.

Is that shot supposed to have the green tint? I don't think we got to the bottom of it last time it was brought up.

Most useful AQ review ever.

“Color font”?

domino harvey wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:17 pm “Color font”?

You need a PHD in bassoonery to understand the concept.

I wondered if this was an English saying. I guess it isn't.

From the screenshot he mentions, he's definitely talking about that one party sequence with Sam Fuller, which is tinted green on the old Criterion releases, but was white on the studio canal release and (from his screenshot) is apparently now white on the new Criterion. I'm assuming he meant "tint" or "filter" instead of "font".

There's some talk about this on page 4 of this thread. Some seemed to remember theatrical experiences with the white, some with green. There's an argument that it's part of a B-W-R French flag motif, and other arguments that it should be green to fit with the other colors (like yellow) in the sequence. Was there ever a definitive answer, or did we just trust in Coutard/Criterion. Weird that it changed again; perhaps Criterion didn't do a good job checking this scene against their old color timing justifications.

tenia wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:11 pm I wondered if this was an English saying. I guess it isn't.

Not that I ever heard. The standard definition of "font" (derived from the French word "fonte" according to Merriam-Webster!) is a noun used to identify a consistent style of character, lettering, or text (such as the "Helvetica font"). You could analyze Godard's use of a specific "font" in regards to his (multi-color) intertitles, but I agree that Dr. Svet should have used "tint" if discussing the image color.

do you think that the color grading matches with the StudioCanal (BR UK) transfer ?
at least it's not as drastically different than the metallic grey-look of "Playtime" (J.Tati) vs the more-detailed transfer but with the price of some greenish color.

FrauBlucher wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:24 pm Beaver

So it looks like there's a "day for night" effect that's been reinstated in at least one shot. I wish StudioCanal or Criterion had some kind of note discussing these things (like the green tinting), it's quite confusing as to what's correct.

This stuff doesn't usually bother me, but man I'm glad I hung on to my copy of the original print.

It looks like the new Criterion disc is just using the Studio Canal Collection transfer. I mentioned the day-for-night shot differences previously in the thread, but didn't get any response at the time.