Re: 421 Pierrot le fou
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:26 am
No green tint!
It might be replicating some tints or lack thereof, but it's not the existing SC transfer, it's a new 4k restoration.PfR73 wrote:It looks like the new Criterion disc is just using the Studio Canal Collection transfer.
I think it's telling that the old Fox Lorber DVD contains the same day-for-night effect and lack of green tinting that the StudioCanal restoration has. This leads me to suspect that there are some discrepancies among the archival film elements (prints, interpositives, etc.), and that both the Fox Lorber and Studio Canal were using/referencing the same source. Ultimately there may not be a clear answer one way or another about these choices, although Coutard did approve the older Criterion release. That's what I have, and I"m keeping it.hearthesilence wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:16 pmSo it looks like there's a "day for night" effect that's been reinstated in at least one shot. I wish StudioCanal or Criterion had some kind of note discussing these things (like the green tinting), it's quite confusing as to what's correct.
therewillbeblus wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:20 am That begs a good question- is it possible that Criterion will no longer be replacing the bronzing discs from the original printed release once this drops? This might be a good time for those with the OOP Pierrot le Fou to get replacement discs proactively, just in case this new transfer does suck and becomes the only option...
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That seems to be the situation. I think the Caps-a-Holic captures (along with Beaver captures referred to elsewhere) pretty much confirm that the new Criterion uses the same 'transfer' as the Studio Canal from 10 years ago, with a tiny fraction more grain left in. To say it's a new transfer is misleading - it's probably a new encoding - or I suppose they could argue that it's 'newer' than the old Criterion transfer.TMDaines wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:12 pm So after the old Pierrot disc was going for silly money as people were believing it was superior visually to the SC disc, Criterion have now just released the SC transfer?
The new Criterion is definitely just a new encode of the same transfer as the SC. I think that part of the reason that the grain looks weird is because it's actually scanned from an interpositive rather than an original negative. Supposedly the OCN has been gone/destroyed decades ago.bugsy_pal wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:06 amThat seems to be the situation. I think the Caps-a-Holic captures (along with Beaver captures referred to elsewhere) pretty much confirm that the new Criterion uses the same 'transfer' as the Studio Canal from 10 years ago, with a tiny fraction more grain left in. To say it's a new transfer is misleading - it's probably a new encoding - or I suppose they could argue that it's 'newer' than the old Criterion transfer.TMDaines wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:12 pm So after the old Pierrot disc was going for silly money as people were believing it was superior visually to the SC disc, Criterion have now just released the SC transfer?
I think the new Criterion doesn't look like a fresh transfer - some of the grain is a bit heavy and weird looking. I'm sure a new 4K transfer would sort that out.
Huh, I wonder if they're also going to reverse any other changes (the day-for-night shot) or just the tintskilar wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:53 am Sounds like there will be a second pressing that restores the green tint to the Fuller shot. Guess the version on the Channel already has it.
I'm not sure if this would do anything, but maybe it's worth emailing and telling them that? I mean, if they're not too deep in the process, they may be open to checking since they're already grading it again.therewillbeblus wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:20 amHuh, I wonder if they're also going to reverse any other changes (the day-for-night shot) or just the tintskilar wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:53 am Sounds like there will be a second pressing that restores the green tint to the Fuller shot. Guess the version on the Channel already has it.
Aside from the aforementioned titles, the ones I could think of right now that have a different restoration than the first release are:omegadirective wrote: Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:47 pm Aside from this and Montery Pop, how many titles has criterion reissued on blu ray with a different transfer from the first blu ray?