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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:48 pm
by colinr0380
From a recent Guardian article on Welcome II The Terrordome:
The film itself, meanwhile, is available to watch on BFI Player as part of We Are Parable’s Black British film season, and a Criterion re-release is in the works.
We had a bit of a debate about this during the 1990s list a few years back. Whilst I had qualms about it back then (mostly the interchangeability of African American and Black British experience without getting into specifics, though as Satori mentioned in their response that may be the point), its certainly a film that (sadly) seems just as relevant to the current climate as it did back in the 1990s.

I would expect an Ashley Clark liner notes essay on this edition at the very least, since he helped to rediscover the film for US audiences in recent years! And there are a lot of short films by Onwurah that it would be wonderful to have a chance to see.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:15 pm
by beamish14
Hopper/Welles, a conversation between Dennis Hopper
and Orson Welles courtesy of the creative team that finished The Other Side of the Wind, is hitting festivals soon. Seems like a plausible
reason for why TOSOTW hasn't been released on Criterion just yet.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:44 pm
by FrauBlucher

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:54 pm
by Pavel
I suspect so; doubt Criterion will release all eight of the added films separately (especially, say, Adoration or Next of Kin).

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:22 pm
by willoneill
Pavel wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:54 pm I suspect so; doubt Criterion will release all eight of the added films separately (especially, say, Adoration or Next of Kin).
I'm going to disagree slightly; of the 8 Egoyans currently playing on the Criterion channel, 7 are his first 7 features, and then they skip 3 films and show Adoration. So if anything, the first 7 might be a box set and then Adoration separate. Or even more likely, the first four in a set, because they used to have/still have the same U.S. rights holder (Zeitgeist), and then the other four separately or in a second set.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:42 pm
by yoloswegmaster

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:46 pm
by domino harvey
Not a surprise, was hinted in the new year’s clue a few years ago, but one I think many assumed was stalled

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:56 pm
by CSM126
domino harvey wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:46 pm
Not a surprise, was hinted in the new year’s clue a few years ago, but one I think many assumed was stalled
To be fair, the clue was a Cuban flag and some music notes, which could just as easily have been referencing Buena Vista Social Club.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:03 pm
by Never Cursed
If it at all comes out (and of course it is a big 'if,' thank you left Twitter for that), hopefully they can use the original 6-track mix.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:09 pm
by domino harvey
Oh lord, what now? Is Natalie Wood canceled for being Maria? Is “Gee Officer Krupke”’s mockery of bleeding heart liberals too hot to handle these days?

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:10 pm
by Big Ben
My memory is absolute trash right now but I don't recall West Side Story being offensive to the point that anyone would complain about it to the point of denying it a release. I mean it's dated in some respects and "Gee Officer Krupke" may cause some eye rolls here and there but I don't think that's a deal-breaker. I mean even Gone With the Wind came back with a simple disclaimer and that's a way, way worse film to discuss in the current zeitgeist.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:13 pm
by domino harvey
It made my eyes roll so far back into my head I could see my brain trying to come up with the perfect quip when it was revealed they cut “Krupke” from the remake for a song called “ACAB”— oh dear me, we can’t have any self-criticism from the left, let’s change the target to the current zeitgeist of flipping off cops from a safe distance instead

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:18 pm
by Never Cursed
It's mostly stuff relating to the brownface/white actors playing Puerto Rican-Americans. I've seen the pushback from people both online and in the real world, with many of the people I personally know to be against the film entrenched in left/film twitter circles

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:18 pm
by Ribs
I would not be surprised if the other MGM/UA Best Picture winners that aren’t Rocky are all on the docket - Kramer vs Kramer, Ordinary People (no Blu anywhere in the world, weirdly!), and Terms of Endearment all seem like things they’d go after.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:19 pm
by Big Ben
domino harvey wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:13 pm It made my eyes roll so far back into my head I could see my brain trying to come up with the perfect quip when it was revealed they cut “Krupke” from the remake for a song called “ACAB”— oh dear me, we can’t have any self-criticism from the left, let’s change the target to the current zeitgeist of flipping off cops from a safe distance instead
Did you read that somewhere else? I could have sworn it was just a joke a user here made. But again my brain is mush.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:21 pm
by domino harvey
Now that Roman Holiday is finally coming, Ordinary People has to be the most inexplicable MIA title from Blu-Ray world wide. But it’s with Paramount, which I remember because my DVD copy of it came with one of those dumb 80s mix CDs for some reason

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:23 pm
by domino harvey
Big Ben wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:19 pm
domino harvey wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:13 pm It made my eyes roll so far back into my head I could see my brain trying to come up with the perfect quip when it was revealed they cut “Krupke” from the remake for a song called “ACAB”— oh dear me, we can’t have any self-criticism from the left, let’s change the target to the current zeitgeist of flipping off cops from a safe distance instead
Did you read that somewhere else? I could have sworn it was just a joke a user here made. But again my brain is mush.
Without checking I’m pretty sure it was Never Cursed who posted it? If it was a joke, then that was a big woosh on me

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:23 pm
by Ribs
Whoops! Memory failed me, suppose that kind of explains why no one has done it anywhere. Still think the other two seem likely for revisits, from Criterion or from others, MGM seems to be making a real effort at new go-rounds for its classics.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:26 pm
by Never Cursed
domino harvey wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:23 pm
Big Ben wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:19 pm
domino harvey wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:13 pm It made my eyes roll so far back into my head I could see my brain trying to come up with the perfect quip when it was revealed they cut “Krupke” from the remake for a song called “ACAB”— oh dear me, we can’t have any self-criticism from the left, let’s change the target to the current zeitgeist of flipping off cops from a safe distance instead
Did you read that somewhere else? I could have sworn it was just a joke a user here made. But again my brain is mush.
Without checking I’m pretty sure it was Never Cursed who posted it? If it was a joke, then that was a big woosh on me
I think you're referring to the following (which I'm 99% is a joke)
whaleallright wrote: Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:56 pm The song "Gee, Officer Krupke" has been replaced by the newly-written "ACAB."

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:27 pm
by domino harvey
Sorry for impugning you! I am only too glad to be the victim of eating the Onion on this because I’d much rather live in a world where that didn’t happen

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:35 pm
by therewillbeblus
I just bought the 50th anniversary blu of West Side Story last month, so there ya go. Considering Kindergarten Cop has been getting canceled lately for being something related to police, Criterion needs to think about how woke it wants to be and draw some lines in the sand before getting swallowed up by the zeitgeist entirely.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:37 pm
by willoneill
Ribs wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:18 pm I would not be surprised if the other MGM/UA Best Picture winners that aren’t Rocky are all on the docket - Kramer vs Kramer, Ordinary People (no Blu anywhere in the world, weirdly!), and Terms of Endearment all seem like things they’d go after.
Terms of Endearment is, like Ordinary People, a Paramount film, and Kramer is Sony.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:45 pm
by Ribs
Ha, don’t mind me, I guess I just imagined some weird miracle run for MGM for several years, sorry!

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:16 am
by Calvin
After Rocky, UA did win again with Annie Hall - another film (with a recent restoration, not yet released) that could go to Criterion if they ignore Film Twitter.

Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:37 am
by Blutarsky
Calvin wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:16 am After Rocky, UA did win again with Annie Hall - another film (with a recent restoration, not yet released) that could go to Criterion if they ignore Film Twitter.
If by some miracle Annie Hall was released by Criterion, it would seem like a waste. Allen is notorious on having no special features. Maybe he’ll relent if Criterion decide to release his most popular film.

I know this isn’t related to the UA discussion but is Mean Streets OOP by Warner Bros. ? Could we assume Criterion has access to early Scorsese features sans Taxi Driver?