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Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:18 pm
by oldsheperd
mfunk9786 wrote:Hitch set hasn't shipped yet for me either, but I can't figure out what your shoes have to do with this set
I ordered the set and then a couple hours later I ordered some shoes from Fingerhut.
The shoes shipped, the Hitch set hasn't which leads me to believe that if they had the set already it might have already shipped.

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:39 am
by George Kaplan
Hofmeister wrote:The 'gauze effect' is also in the film prints. It's always been there plain as day. I can't be the only one who remembers MARNIE projected.

Not everything we notice is an anomaly, this is what I'm trying to bring out. When HD shows up something that was less apparent in SD, this does not make it a digital artefact.
I've seen MARNIE projected in 35mm 12 times and counting over the last 30 years - and am embarrassed to say the I do not know for certain whether I've ever consciously noticed the gauze effect in the opening shot, or not, before. But something in the back of my head says, not only "Yes! Hofmeister!", but "Aha!" No other narrative film I know of, is as deep a meditation on illusionistic depth and the trompe-l'oeil effect, and what they can be made to express. (And there are few, if any, films about which I have meditated more about in those 30 years, than MARNIE.)

MARNIE has almost always been heavily-qualified, if not derided, in assessments for its "cheap" effects, which is, pardon me for saying so, complete nonsense. (And frankly, any "scholar" asserting so - ](*,) - should be made to sit at the children's table.) They are sophisticated and state-of-art, at least, and experimental (read NOT cheap) in many instances. Hitchcock's and Burks' experimentation with new lenses with which to photograph Hedren, which began with THE BIRDS, reached notorious levels during the production of MARNIE. Also, the shots of Hedren on horseback are far better achieved and integrated than those of - to pick but one, highly illustrative, example among countless others - BECKETT, a film made the following year and greeted as a shining example of film craft by the established film and critical communities. (Though not, I think, perhaps the critical communities that responded favorably to MARNIE at the time.) No one seemed to mind then, that shots of Burton and O'Toole on horseback were rote, flat rear-projection. And that beautiful, complex backdrop of the Baltimore street, that so many seem to hate, is not one but, at least, two backdrops (as seen from two different perspectives) as well as possibly a glass, or composite shot.

No, something else is very much at play in MARNIE's complex visuals but not cheapness. Whether one responds favorably to it or not remains another matter. The film's two dominant visual strategies, with regard to crafting a "backdrop" for the story, are: the plunging lines of forced single-point perspective, and; the grid. Both of which fix Marnie/Hedren in particular ways. Watch also, next time, how Hedren is restricted within the frame, from either entering or leaving it directly; that is, at the frame line rather than through a door or passageway already within the frame. There is an Ozu-like rigor being worked out, though to somewhat different effect. (Which is not to imply that Hitchock and Ozu are necessarily dissimilar. Very much, on the contrary.)
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Of course, Marnie's one spectacular attempt to so, to escape, in effect, from the trap of her fate and the visual trap that is the film the, brings her, tragically, up against the grid of a stone wall.
Such a gauze effect, too, makes sense as it could be seen to answer the gauze effect achieved in the complex overlay of picture and sound represented at the film's catharsis. Wherein, IIRC,
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the blood saturating the sailor suit constitutes a veil almost, back through which Hedren's face emerges via a dissolve.
The weave of the fabric has always struck me as having been very much photographically accentuated in the dissolve.

It also makes sense, too, when you consider Mark's observation of a "flower" (like paintings, a typically potent signifier in Hitchcock), during the honeymoon cruise - the structural middle of the film, where so much of the film's keys and Hitchcock's now-famous preoccupation can be found - that:

"In Africa, in Kenya, there is quite beautiful flower. Coral-colored with tiny green-tipped blossoms, rather like a hyacinth. If you reach out to touch it you discover that the flower is not a flower at all, but a design made up of hundreds of tiny insects called fatid bugs. Now these insects live and die in the shape of a flower to escape the eyes of hungry birds."

This speech seems, not only, a possible diagnosis of Marnie herself, but it also articulates the idea that nature too can manifest a trompe l'oeil wherein we perceive it as "beautiful" for being "a flower" and then "marvelous" (to pick just one such possible adjective) for being not a flower. This opens a rich interplay of ideas about visual strategies as survival and art; and pointing back to the film's earlier uses of nature and art as a poetic dimension. It therefore seems very much like an "Aha!" moment, to me, to think how Hitchcock and Burks might have found a way to sneak into the opening shot (one of the most potent and memorable in Hollywood history - and the purse only just begins to explain it!) another variation of this visual strategy.

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:44 am
by George Kaplan
The Cinema 21 Theatre in Portland, Oregon will soon be showing MARNIE, as well as THE LADY VANISHES, REBECCA, NOTORIOUS, STRANGERS ON A TRAIN, REAR WINDOW, VERTIGO, NORTH BY NORTHWEST and PSYCHO, all in 35mm prints:

http://www.cinema21.com/#themasterifsuspenset

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:30 pm
by rwaits
Frenzy up on Beaver. Looks like the credit sequence has been fixed (sounds like in large part thanks to Nick) but this disc still sounds problematic to say the least.

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:32 pm
by MichaelB
And here's a link.

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:53 pm
by andyli
That's laughable. Is Mr. Tooze sure that he didn't review a dvd by mistake?

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:09 pm
by ShellOilJunior
Beaver is definitely hedging their bets.

I'm no industry expect but that don't look like film to me.

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:38 pm
by Zot!
ShellOilJunior wrote:Beaver is definitely hedging their bets.

I'm no industry expect but that don't look like film to me.
Beaver seems pretty definitive in their assessment to me:
...will be considered a black-mark on the Alfred Hitchcock: The Masterpiece Collection.
He does let Nick do the heavy lifting however.

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:39 pm
by Finch
What I find funny is that Tooze says he "thinks" the credits have been fixed. He couldn't have double-checked to be certain?

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:35 pm
by mfunk9786
The delivery date seems to have changed on Fingerhut without any heads-up. Thinking more and more that this is never actually going to ship, but I think I'm going to wait it out anyway, and if it changes again, just order it for $132 shipped from Amazon.co.uk:
Fingerhut wrote:Hitchcock BluRay Collection
Item No. PT088
Receive by 11/23/2012

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:15 pm
by swo17
Dear XXXXXXXXXXXX,

Thank you for your order. We regret to inform you that our manufacturer has experienced a delay with the following item(s) and shipment has been rescheduled to 11/18/2012. Hitchcock BluRay Collection.

We hope you will continue to wait. However, if you wish to cancel, please contact our Fingerhut Customer Service Department either by email at [email protected], by phone at 1-800-208-2500 (M-F, 8AM - 8PM Central time) or online at fingerhut.com/CustomerService. Once stock is received, we will ship the item(s) if we are able to obtain credit reauthorization, if required. If we do not hear from you, we will assume you have agreed to this shipment delay. You do not need to contact us if you still want the merchandise.

Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience. We value your business and look forward to serving you again.

Fingerhut Customer Service

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:54 pm
by RyanGallagher
swo17 wrote:
Dear XXXXXXXXXXXX,

Thank you for your order. We regret to inform you that our manufacturer has experienced a delay with the following item(s) and shipment has been rescheduled to 11/18/2012. Hitchcock BluRay Collection.

We hope you will continue to wait. However, if you wish to cancel, please contact our Fingerhut Customer Service Department either by email at [email protected], by phone at 1-800-208-2500 (M-F, 8AM - 8PM Central time) or online at fingerhut.com/CustomerService. Once stock is received, we will ship the item(s) if we are able to obtain credit reauthorization, if required. If we do not hear from you, we will assume you have agreed to this shipment delay. You do not need to contact us if you still want the merchandise.

Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience. We value your business and look forward to serving you again.

Fingerhut Customer Service
I received the same email this afternoon. Has anyone been charged by Fingerhut yet? The last I saw was mine was listed as a pending transaction.

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:37 pm
by mfunk9786
Yeah, I got that email too. Just pending for me, thinking they charge when shipped.

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:12 pm
by rwaits
Excellent post. Thanks.

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:08 pm
by captveg
Robert Harris HTF ratings (Video/Audio):

Saboteur - 4.5, 5
Shadow of a Doubt - 4.5, 5
Rope - 3, 4.5
Rear Window - 3, 4.5 (he admits his standards for this one are probably higher than most)
The Trouble with Harry - 4, 4.5
The Man Who Knew Too Much - 2, 4.5 (he wants the film restored, particularly for the color)
Vertigo - 4, 4.5
North by Northwest - "Very Highly Recommended" in 2009
Psycho - "Recommended" in 2010
The Birds - 4.25, 5
Marnie - 5 "color"/3 "overall", 5
Torn Curtain - 4.5, 5
Topaz - 4, 5
Frenzy - 3.5, 4
Family Plot - 0, 5 ("the pixelated special edition")

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:28 pm
by Rsdio
Don't know whether it's purely down to the tempered expectations based on the early reports but I've got to say I'm pleased enough with how it's looking. The vast majority look better (some of them much better) than I'd anticipated. Glad I got that Zavvi pre-order in just in case.

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:56 pm
by matrixschmatrix
Peerpee has been talking about Rear Window as one of the transfers that impressed him most this year, it's certainly difficult to see how Frenzy is a better looking blu-ray.

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:32 pm
by jsteffe
matrixschmatrix wrote:Peerpee has been talking about Rear Window as one of the transfers that impressed him most this year, it's certainly difficult to see how Frenzy is a better looking blu-ray.
Robert Harris is coming from the perspective of someone who has actually restored the film and thus has an intimate knowledge of the film elements:
Bottom line is that for the casual viewer, this may be a beautiful presentation, but my eye is probably the wrong one to be viewing it. I could have been far happier if things had been performed differently -- and better.
So it may be that Peerpee was comparing it with what he has seen before, whereas Harris is judging it from the perspective of someone who knows what is possible. Based on both their comments, I would probably be happy with the transfer, though one can always wish for something better in the future.

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:27 pm
by perkizitore
UK set pushed back a week according to Amazon.

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:39 pm
by mfunk9786
Hm, maybe Fingerhut was the first to reference something that amounts to an actual worldwide delay.

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:42 pm
by swo17
We should have known after seeing that they were so on the ball getting oldsheperd his shoes.

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:02 pm
by mfunk9786
Oldsheperd's shoes pushed back a week in the UK

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:35 am
by oldsheperd
mfunk9786 wrote:Oldsheperd's shoes pushed back a week in the UK
I walked home from work barefoot today!

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:57 pm
by Arrow
Fingerhut sent me a notice today that my Hitchcock set has shipped, anyone else get this?

Re: Hitchcock on Universal DVD and Blu-ray

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:59 pm
by mfunk9786
No... :(