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Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:48 pm
by criterion10
Ah, okay. Just out of curiosity, and this may have already been stated before, but will the individual discs eventually released be identical to those in the box set, or are there other special features that were only allowed for a limited quantity?
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:07 pm
by MichaelB
As far as I'm aware the discs will be identical - I can certainly confirm that this is true of The Beast and Goto (since we're producing a separate edition for Kickstarter subscribers, although that in itself makes it overwhelmingly likely that there'll be a standalone edition at some point). The only difference will be that they'll come with standard Arrow booklets (typically 28-40 pages) instead of the box set's massive book.
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:27 am
by foe
tenia wrote:Wow. Glad I already placed my pre order at Amazon some weeks ago now. It's nice to see such a difficult project getting so much faith in it from all side. I can only hope it means more projects of this kind will be able to see the light in a near future. It's very hopeful.
and my dream is as follows: Jerzy Skolimowski's first 4 new wave obscure classics on B-R format :-"
anyway, a fantastic news indeed, especially considering so many other great boxsets (Tati, Herzog, Grillet) are about to be released almost in the same time.
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:17 am
by David M.
criterion10 wrote:Ah, okay. Just out of curiosity, and this may have already been stated before, but will the individual discs eventually released be identical to those in the box set, or are there other special features that were only allowed for a limited quantity?
Not to speak for Arrow, but I doubt they would want to pay for separate glass masters and a separate round of AACS fees to change the disc contents.
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:46 am
by MichaelB
I can certainly confirm that the discs in the separate edition of The Beast will be identical in every way to their counterparts in the box.
But I can also confirm that the booklet will only have about a tenth of the words in the big box set book. In particular, the short story collection Anatomy of the Devil will remain exclusive to the box, as we only have publishing rights for a certain number of copies.
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:15 pm
by Anthony Thorne
Browsing through the Phibes booklet, I hope the large Borowczyk book doesn't suffer from the same slightly irritating layout quirk of the sturdy spine binding greatly affecting the visibility of some of the pictures. The Phibes book is beautifully produced but a few double-page layout spreads reduce Vincent Price to a couple of ears and an eye in one or two instances. I doubt I'm telling you anything you don't already know though, and it's a somewhat petty complaint given the deluxe feel of the overall package. (Also - if the binding of the booklet had been flimsier I know you'd be fielding complaints from others worrying about the spine eventually cracking, so perhaps it's damned if you do, damned if you don't). Perhaps two page spreads where the focus of the image isn't smack in the middle is the answer.
Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:00 pm
by MichaelB
There are no double-page spreads in the Borowczyk book, and the designer was instructed upfront not to go right to the edge of the page (in either direction).
With 344 pages to conjure with, there was never any chance that the book would open flat, so we've consciously avoided the need.
Oh, and here are a few stats:
70,000 words approx (two more essays were added since the original document was compiled);
140 illustrations, most in full colour;
12 authors: Robert Benayoun, Daniel Bird, Walerian Borowczyk, Michael Brooke, Raymond Durgnat, Peter Graham, Craig Lapper, Patrice Leconte, Chris Newby, Philip Strick, David Thompson, James White.
5 sections: Camera Obscura (new essays), The Archives (republished essays, inc. previously untranslated material), Boro's Dictionary, The Restoration and Anatomy of the Devil.
I've only seen PDF proofs thus far, but it's looking amazing.
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:13 pm
by filmghost
Is there any place where I can still buy this?
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:54 pm
by perkizitore
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:00 am
by filmghost
Thanks!
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:43 pm
by Charles
How I wish I'd read about and educated myself on this release in time to acquire it directly from Arrow.
I'd given up on it when I saw this heads up late last night, and jumped to place an order. Thank you for that!
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:10 pm
by MichaelB
The BBFC has confirmed an 18 certificate for the Borowczyk box set, for "strong sex, sexual violence, explicit sexual images". Can't really argue with that.
Most importantly, it confirms that the longer cut of A Private Collection does not tip over into R18 territory, despite clearly containing unsimulated sexual material (albeit in the form of vintage photos rather than moving images).
Which is a huge relief as we're just about to irreversibly go to press with the book, and I was dreading either having to strip out all references to that cut at the last minute or (worse) having to drop the film after the book had gone to press!
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:50 pm
by antnield
Standalone releases confirmed for:
Goto, Isle of Love (August 18th)
Blanche (September 8th)
Theatre of Mr & Mrs Kabal (plus shorts) (September 8th)
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:19 pm
by MichaelB
No great surprise - as soon as the box sold out it was inevitable that Arrow would want to get the individual releases out sooner rather than later!
As with The Beast, the discs will be identical to the equivalents in the box: only the booklet will be sharply reduced in size.
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:42 pm
by rwaits
Michael, apologies if this has been asked/answered previously (I'm sure it has), but will each film and special feature from the box ultimately be released separately? The only difference will be a considerable downscaling of the wonderful book for the individual booklets?
Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:44 pm
by MichaelB
That's absolutely the case - four out of five separate releases have already been announced, and it would strain credulity to the limit to believe that they'd release Theatre of Mr & Mrs Kabal and not the far more commercially attractive Immoral Tales. So it's a very safe bet that that's on the cards too.
And as far as I'm aware, the discs will be identical - I can't see Arrow going to the expense of creating separate masters for the standalone releases.
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:21 pm
by BoxHead
Thanks for all the details.
Speaking of the longer cut of A Private Collection, would you know in which individual release it will be included ?
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:43 am
by MichaelB
Immoral Tales includes both cuts.
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:37 pm
by swo17
As indicated in the specs in the first post of the thread.
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:19 pm
by perkizitore
Is this going to be released in August now?
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:37 pm
by swo17
August 18th, as discussed earlier in the thread
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:50 pm
by MichaelB
perkizitore wrote:Is this going to be released in August now?
You're a Kickstarter backer, so you should have been directly emailed about this about a month ago. Did you not get
this message on May 27th?
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:23 pm
by perkizitore
I have unsubscribed from all e-mails on Kickstarter, that is probably why I noticed the delay just now.
Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:22 pm
by Dick Laurent
I should have followed this more closely, no money for the pre-order so was going to buy at release, with all the kickstarter stuff etc I was thinking they would have more copies available. I think I'm going to give up on things like these, always to late and paying trough my nose from sellers who buy this just to flip it later at double the price (I saw plenty of people on forums in the last hour while searching who have no idea what they are buying). I'm pretty sad about all of this, my own fault I guess, I just find it weird you have to buy things 2 months in advance. I've noticed this with other hobbies as wel lately, if you don't jump on the kickstarter, bad luck. I will stop ranting now

Re: Camera Obscura: The Walerian Borowczyk Collection
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:52 pm
by MichaelB
If it makes you feel any better, while you've missed out on a chunk of the big book, you haven't (necessarily) missed out on any of the discs - because a by-product of the box selling out was that Arrow decided to greenlight all five features as separate releases, which was by no means certain even a fortnight ago. And the discs will be identical to those featured in the box - I can now confirm that this is certain.