criterionforum.org

Subbuteo wrote:Allegedly Stockhausen in 2001 described the September 11 attacks as "the greatest work of art one can imagine".

I especially like how everyone is sticking in this fact randomly at the end of every article on his death, with no attempt at explanation. A nice little last zinger towards a dead man.

Cold Bishop wrote:

Subbuteo wrote:Allegedly Stockhausen in 2001 described the September 11 attacks as "the greatest work of art one can imagine".

I especially like how everyone is sticking in this fact randomly at the end of every article on his death, with no attempt at explanation. A nice little last zinger towards a dead man.

Agreed

The quote in full did explain that it was a work of art by the devil. But saying that a massacre could be art offended plenty, and most then inaccurately edited out his full explanation that followed.

Cold Bishop wrote:I especially like how everyone is sticking in this fact randomly at the end of every article on his death, with no attempt at explanation. A nice little last zinger towards a dead man.

Like it or not, it's almost certainly the thing he's most globally famous for - the number of people who remember that comment must outnumber the people who've consciously heard a note of his music by several orders of magnitude.

It reminds me of when Kenneth Tynan died - he ruefully (and accurately) predicted that his theatre career would play second fiddle to his status as the first man to say "fuck" on television...

MichaelB wrote:Like it or not, it's almost certainly the thing he's most globally famous for - the number of people who remember that comment must outnumber the people who've consciously heard a note of his music by several orders of magnitude.

It reminds me of when Kenneth Tynan died - he ruefully (and accurately) predicted that his theatre career would play second fiddle to his status as the first man to say "fuck" on television...

I can understand that, but they could attempt clarify the controversy surrounding the comment. But then again, the amount of people who jumped to blind conclusions after hearing the comment probably outnumber those who had some sort of idea of what he was trying to say or made an attempt to figure out what he meant, as well

I'm so very saddened by Stockhausen's death. His music is perhaps my favorite of his era of composers (Cage, Ligeti, etc.) simply because of how prolific he was.
I also have to admit I'm guilty of using some of his pieces (mostly some late 50's works) in several of my short films (heavily manipulated, of course).

I think I'll go out and honor his death with a night of etherially nightmarish sound experiments.

Subbuteo wrote:Just heard on the radio that Karlheinz Stockhausen (aged 79) has passed away

Holy SHIT! Just yesterday over on the Jean Epstein thread I mentioned Kheinz for the first time in years (he just popped into my head for some reason while writing).

Zoinks scoob... my neck hairs are standing up thinking I wrote his name just as the Great Serial Composition in the Sky came a calling. I AM NOW OFFICIALLY SOME KIND OF UH GOD OR DEATH ENTITY, I'VE DECIDED. THERE'S NO OTHER CONCLUSION TO COME TO-- SO: BETTER NOT PISS ME OFF OR I'LL WRITE YOUR NAME AND IT'LL BE Passages FOR YOU T O O PAL!

Seriously (actually I was serious)... no seriously-- farewell Karlheinz, and fuck the press. Keep Zappa & Ives & Stravinsky & Webern company.
Fucking Bruckner better run.

Incidentally, I can't think of many more composers as heavily influenced by Catholicism than Bruckner AND Stockhausen (and Messiaen). I suppose in their way of centering their music around religious/spiritual experiences they have more in common than is generally assumed.
Stockhausen, though, had his very own brand of mysticism, and by all accounts, he certainly believed in an afterlife of a different sort than Christianity. He'll probably go on making music on Sirius, if that's where he is now (at least that's where he originally came from, so he said).

miless wrote:I'm so very saddened by Stockhausen's death. His music is perhaps my favorite of his era of composers (Cage, Ligeti, etc.) simply because of how prolific he was.
I also have to admit I'm guilty of using some of his pieces (mostly some late 50's works) in several of my short films (heavily manipulated, of course).

I think I'll go out and honor his death with a night of etherially nightmarish sound experiments.

You could do worse than pop The Quays In Absentia in the DVD and really tip over the edge.

As a film student I was a trainee on a documentary of his performances at the ENO in the mid 80's and found him very approachable and a good egg allround. Hope he's hobnobbing with the great Sun Ra out in outer space right now.

Just came across this post about Emilio Ruiz Del Rio who passed away in September and who did special effects work on Lynch's Dune, the Conan The Barbarian and Conan The Destroyer films (also Red Sonja! ), Del Toro's The Devil's Backbone and Pan's Labyrinth, as well as minature work on Pontecorvo's Ogro and Lucio Fulci's version of White Fang.

Ion Fiscuteanu, best known for his leading role in Cristi Puiu's The Death of Mr. Lazarescu, has died at 70.

Michael Kidd. Choreographed everyone from Fred Astaire to Janet Jackson.

And Oscar Peterson, about whom I coincidentally was just reading.

I think the barn-raising sequence in "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers" is one of Michael Kidd's best work.

And check out his tongue-in-cheek role as a beauty-pageant choreographer in Michael Ritchie's "Smile".

GEORGIANA YOUNG Died Nov. 13, 2007
Georgiana Young, the sister of actress Loretta Young and wife of actor Ricardo Montaban.

Georgiana Young, who has died in Beverly Hills at the age of 84, was the youngest and least well-know of the Young sisters, Loretta Young being the most famous of the siblings followed by Sally Blane and Polly Ann Young. Despite actually being a half-sister, Loretta insisted Georgiana be treated as 'one of their own.' Despite her exquisite beauty and much hype and promise, the sisters made only one film together 'The Story of Alexander Graham Bell' (1939). "I was never comfortable in front of the movie cameras," she said. "I never had the same drive as Loretta nor the looks of Sally or Polly gusto. In truth movies and the life of a movie star scared me to death."

Born Georgiana Belzer on September 30, 1923, she acted during the 1930s as Anne Royal. Her 'stage mother' Gladys Royal pushed baby Georgiana into the movie business at a tender age often appearing as an un-billed extra in films starring her sisters. Georgiana's father George Belzer also worked within the movie industry. Her parents divorced when Georgiana was still an infant.

It wasn't until the tale end of the 1930s that Georgiana began to find her own way. She spent three years under contract to David O. Selznick and was screen tested for the role of Scarlet O'Hara and then as Scarlet's younger sister Suellen in 'Gone with the Wind' (1939). She lost out to both Vivien Leigh and Evelyn Keyes. Georgiana blamed her lack of success on her height, "I was taller than Vivien Leigh, taller than Evelyn Keyes and Clark Gable - heck, I was taller than Tara!"

Georgiana Young's most important role off-screen was guarding the true identity of Loretta Young's love child Judy. Born Judy Young on November 6, 1935. Her father was Clark Gable. Because of the morality clause in both Gable and Loretta's contracts and the fact that Clark Gable was married, Loretta Young brought Judy up as her adopted daughter. "It was obvious just by looking at Judy who her father was," said Georgiana, "but I never told. I lost out on movie roles because producers said they would give me wonderful roles if I told, but I didn't, I wouldn't tell, so that was that." The secret remained so until the late 1950s.

Georgiana also lost out on the role of Whitey to Marian Martin in 'Boom Town' (1940) starring Clark Gable and to Luana Walters in the Buck Jones western 'Arizona Bound' (1941). When she did eventually succeed and take the lead in Herbert Wilcox movie 'No, No Nanette' (1940), it was all too short lived. Three days into shooting Wilcox decided he was in love with Anna Neagle and re-cast Georgiana as a show girl instead.

It was whilst Georgiana was modeling between movies that she caught the eye of 'Latin lover' Ricardo Montalban. He was a friend of Sally Blane's husband Norman Foster and whilst working on a Mexican film directed by Foster noticed Georgiana on set one day, "He said later on that after one glance he knew we'd marry," said Georgiana, "And I believed him." They married on October 26, 1944.

During the 1940s, Georgiana curtailed her modeling work (she modeled for Lux Soap, Coke Cola, Ford and was an early Levis model), and concentrated on her husbands career, accompanying him the work whilst he splashed around with Esther Williams in the aquatic melodrama "Neptune's Daughter" (1949), and the Film Noir classic "Border incident" (1949), in which she had a small un-billed cameo. Throughout the 1950s, Georgiana appeared on Loretta's highly successful TV chat show. Asked why their marriage succeeded where so many fail in Hollywood, Georgiana said, "because we have a sense of humour and best friends and trust one another."

Georgiana Young admitted being in awe of her sister Loretta. "I simply felt I'd never achieve what she achieved so never tried," she said. Loretta Young who affectionately nicknamed her sister 'Georgie' died in August, 2000 from ovarian cancer at Georgiana and Ricardo Montalban's home. Sally Blane and Polly Ann Young also succumbed to cancer.

Georgiana Young who died on November 13, has been interred in the Young's family plot in the Holy Cross Cemetery in Culver City, close to the former site of MGM studios, is survived by Ricardo Montalban and their four children; Laura Montalban is a successful clothing designer.

davidhare wrote:I think (but am not sure) a reasonable Scope print of Mother Joan played at that now esrtwhilei Lincoln Center Polish retro in the late 90s.

Was Mother Joan in Scope? I know the Second Run DVD's not great (to put it mildly), but it didn't look cropped to me, and the picture was 4:3.

Tokuzo Tanaka

Director Tokuzo Tanaka dies at 87

Director Tokuzo Tanaka died of a cerebral hemorrhage at a Nara hospital on Thursday night [Dec 20]. He was 87. A funeral service will be held for family members only.

Tanaka was famous for his work as part of the golden era of the Daiei Motion Picture Company, directing film series such as "Zatoichi," "Nemuri Kyoshiro," "Heitai Yakuza," and "Akumyo," all during the 1960s. After Daiei's bankruptcy in 1971, he worked on television dramas such as the "Hissatsu" series.

He was also an assistant director on Rashomon, Ugetsu, Sansho the Bailliff and Enjo.

Just on the news, George MacDonald Fraser. I didn't realise he had written Octopussy and Red Sonja!

Tim Lucas posts on Edward Klosinski

Brad Renfro

i cant stop crying

Barmy wrote:Brad Renfro

i cant stop crying

Really, really sad. He was just 25 years old.

That was a shock to hear about. I think the last thing I saw him in was The Jacket and I had been quite impressed by the way he seemed willing to take on dark and unsympathetic roles in films such as Apt Pupil, Bully and the decent, dark first half of Sleepers.

ABC News

Shocking news. He had just finished shooting The Informers, an adaptation of a Bret Easton Ellis novel.

He was quite good in Bully as well. Really a shame.