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Re: Breaking Bad
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:42 pm
by swo17
It just shows that it was a very compact sequence of events. Jesse basically goes straight from beating up Saul to the White home. He is only there for a few minutes before Hank apprehends him. Meanwhile, the moment Jesse leaves Saul, Walt gets the call from him, retrieves his pistol, and heads straight home, where he just misses them. I don't how far apart all of these locations are supposed to be, but presumably everything I've just described happens over the span of 20-30 minutes.
If anything, I have more trouble swallowing Hank's Batman timing in stopping Jesse from setting the house on fire. We later learn that he's been tailing Jesse since Saul's, but, um, why would he have been doing that?
Re: Breaking Bad
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:45 pm
by flyonthewall2983
I'm thinking one of Gomez's guys saw Jesse bolt from Goodman's office right as they were being called off, and reported it to Hank.
Re: Breaking Bad
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:49 pm
by domino harvey
swo17 wrote:If anything, I have more trouble swallowing Hank's Batman timing in stopping Jesse from setting the house on fire. We later learn that he's been tailing Jesse since Saul's, but, um, why would he have been doing that?
Because Hank had to have Gomez call off his official tailers so he's been doing it himself?
Re: Breaking Bad
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:08 pm
by warren oates
domino's correct. In fact, in the previous episode we see
Hank cancel a meeting and leave the office immediately after that conflict with Gomez over the Pinkman surveillance team. Now we know where he was going. And this is one of my favorite aspects of the storytelling in these late/final episodes. The way the writers so carefully withhold or elide certain events to increase the mystery and suspense. But also to keep us guessing as to what's going to happen next by being willing to completely skip over moments others might see as obligatory -- like the implied scene rrot mentions above, where Hank reveals (some of) what he knows about Walt to Gomez and convinces him to come over and help debrief Jesse.
Re: Breaking Bad
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:04 am
by domino harvey
The spoilers thing is getting ridiculous. I'm adding a warning to the thread title and people who read the thread should be aware that if they're not caught up, they shouldn't open the thread. Speculation and details about events yet to take place / episodes yet to air should still be spoilered. To wit:
Jesse's plan revealed:
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:28 am
by swo17
More likely:
Jesse teaches Hank everything he knows about cooking, and Hank soon becomes an even better and more notorious meth cook than Walt ever was, wounding Walt's pride. Against Skyler's wishes, Walt agrees to attend a "cook off" against Hank at which the best cook of the greater ABQ area will be decided once and for all. In a heated contest, Walt wins but his victory is bittersweet as it is thereafter revealed that several of the judges were in fact undercover DEA agents.
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:58 pm
by wattsup32
Excellent interview on the reality of Breaking Bad by a former, long-time drug kingpin:
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/ho ... g-bad-0913
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:04 am
by Drucker
Holy shit.
PS. This is the first episode I think it's glaringly apparent just how much Walt Jr.'s aged.
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:07 am
by The Narrator Returns
I love how after ten straight minutes of unbearable tension, an ad for Low Winter Sun immediately follows. It's like the perfect punchline.
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:08 am
by flyonthewall2983
Ending in the middle of the fire fight was a stroke of genius. From the moment Walt channeled Mario Andretti to the end, I was literally on the edge of my seat.
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:10 am
by domino harvey
Again, no one needs to spoiler their comments for the current episode
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:12 am
by flyonthewall2983
I wasn't clear on that, thanks.
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:19 am
by Black Hat
A part of me wishes this was the finale to the whole series solely for the hilariousness that would have ensued.
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:24 am
by domino harvey
"Marie, don't forget, tonight we're going to sail around the world on the 'Live-4-Ever'"
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:27 am
by mfunk9786
Black Hat wrote:A part of me wishes this was the finale to the whole series solely for the hilariousness that would have ensued.
I had the same desire at the end of "Crawl Space" in Season 4.
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:34 am
by domino harvey
I presume AMC is going to just resort to wiring money to the Paypal accounts of anyone who bothers to actually stick around for Low Winter Sun
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:39 am
by flyonthewall2983
Noted sex therapist Gloria Brame nailed it on Twitter
Breaking Bad was like a consensual mindfuck tonight: you asked for it but you can hardly stand it.
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:44 pm
by Roger Ryan
Overall a great episode, but I found it a bit disappointing that none of those bullets appeared to strike anything human. With both Hank and Gomez initially standing out in the open, that seemed implausible. Of course, I'm sure this will be resolved with the next installment.
My prediction: Hank and Gomez are killed, but Jesse has escaped. Walt, under duress, will do the agreed-upon final cook then disappear only to return after his 52nd birthday to avenge Hank's death.
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:53 pm
by mfunk9786
Eh, automatic weapons and handguns like that from a range like that... it's not completely implausible that two trained DEA officers who know how to move to avoid catching fire would manage to slip behind a vehicle. They're not exactly sniper rifles. That being said, what I recall as the action slipping in and out of slow motion made it feel more false than it needed to. A lot of emphasis on the amount of ammo being gobbled up and fired directly at Hank and Gomez. One of the only times I can say that the [usually best in class] editing of this show fell short.
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:00 pm
by cdnchris
Slo-mo stuff aside what was nice about that ending was my joy in seeing a recent action scene where I didn't lose sense of where everyone was located. True, it's not like anyone could move too far off, but most of the actions scenes I've seen in films lately can even screw that up becoming a shaky, jumbled mess where you have to wait for the outcome to get a sense as to what happened.
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:24 pm
by mfunk9786
Even stuff like Pacific Rim, which was made by a largely great filmmaker, was nearly impossible to follow in that regard. I'm with you, Chris. I just think this could have been edited to create the appearance of Hank and Gomez beginning to rush to crouch behind the vehicle before we start to see bullets fly. As it stood (and I'll have to re-watch), they were still sort of just standing there at first, which made it seem silly that they weren't hit with any fire. That being said: It was an incredible moment and I am willing to forgive this show even if it ends like Newhart and Bryan Cranston wakes up next to Jane Kaczmarek, so. We're all good, Breaking Bad.
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:23 pm
by Andre Jurieu
mfunk9786 wrote:... even if it ends like Newhart and Bryan Cranston wakes up next to Jane Kaczmarek
God, that ... would ... be ... AWESOME! Now, anything else will be a disappointment. Prove me wrong, Gilligan. Prove me wrong.
Glad I wasn't the only one who thought those officers seemed awfully confident standing out in the open vs automatic weapons. Some part of me wonders if the white-supremacists are going to figure out what's at those coordinates, though I can't really figure out how they would make the logical connections. As soon as Hank made that phone call to Marie I started remembering McBain telling Skowie to "stop talking crazy."
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:29 pm
by mfunk9786
The more I think about it: If Hank wasn't going to come out of that alive, wouldn't we have seen that last night? Something tells me everyone's walking away from this somehow. Not that things won't get dark in another way, but... since the big Gale season finale, this show rarely gives us what we expect on the other end of episode-ending cliffhangers.
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:33 pm
by swo17
I'm thinking that the phone call, granting Hank a satisfying bit of "closure" with Marie, is meant to take the sting out of the reveal next week that he does not survive the shootout. Or maybe that's just what they want us to think!
Re: Breaking Bad (Spoilers within)
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:58 pm
by mfunk9786
Exactly. This show is anything but predictable. I'd be fine with either outcome at this point (I just want to see what happens, damnit), but most of me is expecting Hank to survive. I mean, someone has to out Walt as Heisenberg at some point, right? The spray paint in the abandoned house is a clue that someone with knowledge of who Walt was (and even though Marie knows, does she know about all the Heisenberg stuff?) outed him publicly in some way shape or form either before or after he escaped to New Hampshire.
