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ThomasPashko wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:22 pm Here's a weird question, and apologies if this has been answered in the preceding years of this thread:

So, I recently picked up the new Criterion Blu-ray, and am listening to the selected scene commentaries by Vlada Petric (these were recorded in 1998 for the old edition, but I never listened to them very attentively on that disc). In the scene where we see the crucifixion/passion play in the snow, Petric repeatedly refers to Christ in this scene as "Kirill." Are we supposed to infer that this is a passion play where Jesus is played by the ex-monk Kirill (Ivan Lapikov)!? If so, that changes the meaning of this scene pretty drastically, but I don't think that's right. The actor on screen has similarly styled hair and beard to Kirill, but it doesn't look like Lapikov to me. Also, IMDb lists the actor Igor Donskoy as playing "Khristos" (Christ), and I can't think of anyone that could refer to other than the Christ in the crucifixion/passion play. Is Petric just wrong here? Or am I misunderstanding what he's saying?

connor wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:02 pm

Roscoe wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:58 pm

connor wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:44 pm
I've been avoiding this film actually due to this scene, which sounds pretty horrifying. Is it included in the 185 minute cut?

The first half of the shot is in the current Director's Cut version, showing the horse falling off a flight of stairs. The horse is bleeding very badly, clearly gravely wounded. The full length shot, in THE PASSION OF ANDREI, continues after the fall, and goes on to a much more graphic picture of the horse's actual demise. It's not for the faint of heart. It's easily skipped, if you know what to watch out for.

Ironically, scenes like that just serve to take me out of the film, imaginatively speaking. The opposite of the intended effect.

ando wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:11 amOne thing I noticed, more with the latest edition for some reason, is Tarkovsky's habit of tossing birds in front of the camera when "establishing" a scene. Somewhere I read that T did this in an overhead shot of a village center just to give the view some perspective. But he also does this when Rublev begins to spy on the pagan night ritual where this rationale seems unnecessary.

ando wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:11 amOne thing I noticed, more with the latest edition for some reason, is Tarkovsky's habit of tossing birds in front of the camera when "establishing" a scene. Somewhere I read that T did this in an overhead shot of a village center just to give the view some perspective. But he also does this when Rublev begins to spy on the pagan night ritual where this rationale seems unnecessary.

Calvin wrote: Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:46 am Andrei Rublev is one of the films that Mosfilm have put up on their YouTube channel in 4K UHD

solaris72 wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:22 pm I'm skeptical. The transfer they provided to Criterion was not 4k and I'm dubious they made a new one since then for streaming. I've seen a number of "4k" films on the Mosfilm youtube channel that were definite upscales.

solaris72 wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:22 pm

Calvin wrote: Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:46 am Andrei Rublev is one of the films that Mosfilm have put up on their YouTube channel in 4K UHD

I'm skeptical. The transfer they provided to Criterion was not 4k and I'm dubious they made a new one since then for streaming. I've seen a number of "4k" films on the Mosfilm youtube channel that were definite upscales.

Andrei Rublev – Director’s Cut
By Andrei Tarkovsky (USSR, 1966, 191 minutes, Color/B/W)
Restored by: Istituto Internazionale Andrei Tarkovsky in collaboration with Coevolutions and Cloudpost

solaris72 wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:33 pm…According to a blu-ray forum poster, this is a new cut prepared by Tarkovsky's son. Supposedly the son talks about it in this youtube video, but it's in Italian.

ando wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2023 7:19 pm

solaris72 wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:33 pm…According to a blu-ray forum poster, this is a new cut prepared by Tarkovsky's son. Supposedly the son talks about it in this youtube video, but it's in Italian.

Thanks. Though it looks like the Italian speaking panel is actually discussing a restoration of Nostalghia, which makes sense as that film was shot in Italy.