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Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:02 am
by mbajic
Can't wait to see this film. I'm currently in a "lost generation" phase (rereading Fitzgerald/Hemingway/watched Jules et Jim again the other night) so the timing's perfect. Better see it before it wears off, though.

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:11 am
by Grand Illusion
Finally caught this. It's pleasant enough. Hemingway steals the show. Plenty of in jokes for the literate crowd. Plenty I didn't get, I'm sure.

I know some reviews have said it looks like a travelogue, but I'm liking Woody's wide and medium shot compositions. He's referred to it as a "lazy style" of not getting coverage, but I appreciate the way he lets his actors breathe.

The only stuff that didn't work for me was turning the Rachel McAdams character and her entire family into such caricatures of evil Republicans. Not that I disagreed with it, but the political discussion just seemed shoe-horned in. I think we all agree the Iraq War was a pretty bad idea by now. It also removed any ambiguity about whether or not the McAdams character would
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remain faithful. Of course not! She's a Republican.
Just too simplistic for me. Took me out of the movie everytime those characters were on screen. Although it did yield one good moment. The father is complaining that Owen Wilson's character called him a "crypto-fascist" because of his politics. Cut To: Him hiring someone to spy, like a secret police, on Owen Wilson. At least that was clever.

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:21 am
by karmajuice
I definitely thought that gag might play out, hollyharry. The ending suits the film, which is more wistful than wacky, but that alternative could've been funny under different circumstances.

Lovely film, utterly charming. I haven't seen much of Allen's recent work, but I easily prefer this to VCB. The Bunuel gag alone was worth the price of admission: I could not stop laughing at it. When the film ended I laughed about it for another five minutes.

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:10 pm
by Jean-Luc Garbo
I thought that the Republican in-laws worked just fine. The Tea Party has its own deluded nostalgia for the good ole days as much as Gil has for the Lost Generation.

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:35 pm
by Tom Hagen
The McAdams character was a terrible caricature of a shrew and made it hard for me to keep me invested in the "present" sequences.

Also,
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for as much as I enjoyed the central conceit of the film, and Allen's musings on the pitfalls of longing for borrowed nostalgia, it couldn't help but remind me that in Woody's film universe, all culture pretty much ended at some point before 1967: contemporary films are commerical junk, rock and roll -- to the extent it is considered at all -- is an irritant, and 30 somethings are all obsessed with the high (and pop) culture of the first half of the 20th century.

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:40 pm
by matrixschmatrix
That was true even in Allen's best work, too- I'm reminded of the scene in Annie Hall with the date who is repeating Dylan lyrics, which is clearly designed to mock the idea that anyone would take a rock and roll singer of any kind seriously. However much he may try to disown the idea of nostalgia or Golden Age mentalities, I think it's telling that (to me, at least) nearly all of his sweetest, least embittered movies are set in the distant past- Zelig, Sweet and Lowdown, Radio Days, etc.

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:05 am
by Grand Illusion
Tom Hagen wrote:Also,
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for as much as I enjoyed the central conceit of the film, and Allen's musings on the pitfalls of longing for borrowed nostalgia, it couldn't help but remind me that in Woody's film universe, all culture pretty much ended at some point before 1967: contemporary films are commerical junk, rock and roll -- to the extent it is considered at all -- is an irritant, and 30 somethings are all obsessed with the high (and pop) culture of the first half of the 20th century.
Considering Gil is pretty much a stand-in for Allen, I think it's fair to say that Allen often falls in the camp that longs for days go by. I think it was Cinema-Scope who acutely made the observation that Allen holds disdain for both the name-dropper and the person that won't understand the name when one is dropped.

Anyway, I think it's fair to say that Allen is conflicted on the matter of nostalgia, and that art is one way of holding a dialogue within oneself about beliefs held internally.

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:11 am
by AWA
I actually saw this a couple weeks ago and haven't had time to type up anything here to offer up my two cents. Been busy with my own film work, thankfully!

All in all, I thought this was very good, and probably the best Woody film since Sweet & Lowdown... better than Match Point and VCB, both overall and I would say mainly because this beats both those films hands down as actually feeling / looking / sounding / acting / etc like an actual "vintage" Woody Allen film.

Woody, for the first time since S&L IMO, showed some actual creative ambition here, that was once something of his trademark. He has flirted with it since S&L (eg Melinda & Melinda's split stories, Scoop's reporter from the grave, Whatever Works' Larry David talking to the camera, etc) but it always looked tagged on and never integrated like we all know he's capable of. This looked refined... this was not a 1st draft, as one might guess previous '00 work has been (eg Scoop, Tall Dark Stranger, etc). When was the last time Woody had the artistic guts to do something as tastefully bold as letting the entire opening Bechet recording play out over shots of Paris? The Manhattan comparisons are obvious, but still it worked wonders and it certainly gave the film a chance to hit the ground running.

I was critical of cinematographer Darius Khondji's work before in Anything Else - here he looks to (mostly) be deftly applying the "Woody Allen style" of shooting as set by Gordon Willis and Carlo DiPalma and work with it. Beautiful photography abounds but most importantly, for the first Woody film in a while... possibly since 1998-2002 stretch, the photographer allows long shots to work. So many DPs since Zhao Fei / Nykvist / DiPalma have not understood how and why Woody's long shot style works - Darius proves he gets it and is on the right track. The great news here is that he's working with Woody on his next film, the Rome project. I hope this collaboration continues for a while, Woody could use the stability and Darius has proven he's capable of understanding this method. Big kudos to the photography work.

Owen Wilson was surprisingly tolerable in working with Woody's dialogue and characters. He's thrown into the deep end here with the lightning quick 20's literary and arts world references, and he actually sounds like someone who enjoys all of it. A friend of mine commented that early 90's John Cusack would've knocked it out of the park but I think Owen still gets it over the fence (to torture the metaphor).

Woody's writing is still not without his late period sloppiness. While leaps and bounds more polished than anything he's done in 11 years, as mentioned above the McAdams' character's family stuff is by the numbers... Woody is clearly not interested in this part of the script as much as he is to the '20's stuff. Especially in the
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breakup scene - it happens lightning fast... just ridiculous. The parents come in and go through shock / confusion / dismay / disappointment / acceptance / supportive / happiness / laughter in about 2 minutes or less. And that's the tail end of the same continous shot of Gil announcing the breakup, accusing her of having an affair, confirming the affair, accepting it, breaking it off, confronting the parents, deciding to move to Paris and leaving relatively amicably. Could be one of the worst scenes Woody has ever written - just seems like the actors are all improvising off the condensed treatment of a 10 - 20 minute portion of the film.
The earlier scenes are better, thankfully, but they still teeter on being outright bad. Some jokes and situations save the day (the Sheen vs Wilson stuff I thought was played well).

Carli Bruni did a good job, although her role seemed unnecessarily expanded to feature her more. Which is a let down considering
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her last two scenes - explaining some of the history to Gil and translating the book for Gil - were probably for the 20's antique dealer Gil ends up with at the end. It makes sense as it would've expanded her role a bit more and given Gil a reason to be with her more often, see the rapport develop, etc.
Thankfully, most of the film focused on the parts that truly inspired Woody and those scenes really swung (often literally). The set designs were ace stuff, and Woody seemed to be genuinely excited about doing a period piece again after 10 years away from it, the longest of his career. In the past it's clear anytime he wanted to treat himself to a playful indulgence that reinvigorated him creatively, he would work on a period project. 10 years is far too long to spend away from that kind of muse.

And part of the benefit seemed to come from the premise and having to fill many of roles based on likeness rather than star status. These "no-name" character role acting talents sparkled working with Woody's material and gave the film extra traction that has far too often been missing in his films in the past 10 years. Corey Stoll's turn as Hemingway alone is an example of how this will definitely propel one of these acting talents to greater heights (how many times has that been said about a small character part in the past 10 years?). Adrian Brody's cameo though is an exception - really well done and hilarious to boot.

The music was also great (great job by Allen Jazz band player Conal Fowlkes for his Cole Porter piano work), and while some of the possibilities the concept of the script opened up to weren't completely fulfilled (see above postings for examples), overall it played really well and has rightfully earned a solid box office response ($33m domestic and $61m worldwide as of this posting, well on it's way to becoming the biggest global box office hit for Woody, probably going to pass $100m mark and possibly in range to pass Hannah & Her Sisters as his biggest US box office success). I saw it twice here in Windsor, where Woody's films only play if the box office returns warrant a theatre owner giving it a shot, and both times the theatre was packed and ended with a round of applause. I've never seen that before. If this is going to end up setting a new box office hit standard for Woody, I'm really glad it'll be this rather than Match Point or VCB - this *is*, without question, a "Woody" film, and it will be nice to see his audience reward him for making something great that isn't a British crime / murder thriller or a complicated sex menage-a-tois. This is a smart film that isn't afraid to be smart, and, like many of Woody's best films, isn't afraid to leave some audience behind if it strives to reference something more than basic emotions. I was the only person laughing at the Buñuel joke but I'm glad it was in there. That's what's great about Woody films - maybe down the road, after some of the people who enjoyed this film look up some of the names and faces in it, will watch this again sometime and get that joke.

Anyways, overall I'd give it a 4/5, if not maybe a 4.5 depending on how I feel when I watch it again down the road sometime. Light but meaningful, beautiful yet fun. Definitely solidly in the upper half of Woody's film catalog, if not in the lower regions of his best 15 or so works. How about that for a compliment? Well earned.

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:47 am
by dad1153
I saw this over the 4th of July weekend at midnight, the fourth (get it? Har, har!) movie in a same-day back-to-back movie-viewing marathon that included Herzog's "Cave for Forgotten Dreams 3D," "Conan O'Brien Can't Stop" and Malick's "Tree of Life." I knew I wanted to end the evening on a pleasant note, and "MIP" didn't disappoint.

I've become stranged from Woody's movies since the late 90's/early 2000's (the Dreamworks period) as none of the subject matters, actors or stories he chose to use/work with appealed to me. As a fan of the 'classic' Woody Allen movie (mid-70's to mid-90's) the few glimpses of his newer movies I've seen on cable ("WHATEVER WORKS," "VCB," "Match Point," etc.) just confirmed that Woody had turned his back on his previous style. As an artist he's entitled to evolve and/or do his thing, just the same way I'm entitled to keep my theater-going money and just enjoy his previous work on DVD/MGM-HD. From the moment "Midnight In Paris" starts though you can feel the Woody of old returning, now older and admiring a city (Paris) where he himself is a tourist with the same awe with which he used to admire his home turf ("Manhattan"). While it feels put-together from previous Allen movies ("Purple Rose of Cairo," "Zelig," "Alice," etc.) the casting of Owen Wilson gives the movie a lighter-than-usual anchor whom I'd love to see return in a new Allen movie with a little more confidence. Pleasantly puzzled at his seemingly-innocuous wonderment of what he sees/experiences (Corey Stoll nailing Hemingway, Brody overdoing Dali to great effect... basically caricatures of literary characters as star-struck intellectual Americans would perceive them), Wilson becomes the best Allen on-screen doppleganger in years (never liked John Cusack in the Woody role the couple of times he tried in "Bullets Over Broadway" and "Shadows and Fog"). Was I dreaming or did Allen pay a back-handed complement to the Judd Apatow comedies with McAdams' mother's line about not being able to help herself when laughing at some moronic lowest-common denominator Hollywood comedies?

Only the too-conventional-and-neat ending of "Midnight in Paris" disappointed me. The same way Spielberg has renounced the ending of "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" as something he wouldn't do now it hurts a little that the director that delivered such a devastatingly-cathartic punch with the ending of "Purple Rose of Cairo" (tied with "Manhattan Murder Mystery" as my favorite Woody Allen movie ever, with "Annie Hall"/"Crimes and Misdemeanors" close behind) would settle for such a simple, crowd-pleasing way to end what is likely to be his biggest money-maker ever. Guess the money part of the equation clears things out. :-(

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:52 am
by knives
dad1153 wrote: I've become stranged from Woody's movies since the late 90's/early 2000's (the Dreamworks period) as none of the subject matters, actors or stories he chose to use/work with appealed to me. As a fan of the 'classic' Woody Allen movie (mid-70's to mid-90's) the few glimpses of his newer movies I've seen on cable ("Another You," "VCB," "Match Point," etc.) just confirmed that Woody had turned his back on his previous style.
I wish that Allen had directed Pryor and Wilder.

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:01 am
by dad1153
"Whatever Works," I meant to say "Whatever Works." Shit, I shouldn't post and watch "Big Brother After Dark" at the same time after 12AM. :-p

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:24 pm
by dad1153
Entertainment Weekly is puzzled as to why "MIP" has become Woody Allen's biggest money-making movie ever. My theory: (a) inflation (less people have seen "MIP" than saw "Hannah and Her Sisters" or "Annie Hall" but higher ticket prices means it takes fewer people to reach the numbers those movies did in their respective decades), (b) fans of older Woody Allen movies that have stayed away from his newer stuff (like me) returned after realizing this was as close to the movies Woody used to do and joined (c) fans of the newer Allen movies that don't know or care for his older stuff. I know ever since I saw "MIP" I've been on a huge Allen kick. Saw two new-to-me Allen movies on MGM-HD ("Manhattan" and "September"), then bought four new-to-me Woody Allen movies on DVD ("Sleeper," "Hannah and Her Sisters," "Radio Days" and "Husbands and Wives") and got three seen-them-and-loved-them ("Zelig," "Crimes and Misdemeanors" and "Manhattan Murder Mystery") from the J&R basement for five bucks each. Still not interested in the post-Dreamworks Allen output, but eventually I'll run out of movies to watch and I'll have to sample them. Who knows, I might be pleasantly surprised.

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:42 pm
by domino harvey
Pretty easy to explain: Allen's stumbled upon an idea which has connected with a larger audience than ever. Nostalgia runs in all age groups. A desire to return to a time you may not have ever been around for is a universal concept and what better venue to entertain such an idea than with an appealing cast in a handsomely-made and intelligent film?

Also, what a horrible article-- never listen to/read anyone who trots out the ol' "Woody Allen hasn't made a good film in 20 years" chestnut

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:45 pm
by Jeff
I think it has everything to do with the fact that they marketed as a Parisian romcom with Owen Wilson and Rachel McAdams. They really underplayed the fact that it was a Woody Allen film, and completely hid the central conceit. Therefore, it brought in a demographic that would normally never attend a Woody Allen film, plus all the Woodman's regulars.

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:35 am
by Grand Illusion
Jeff wrote:I think it has everything to do with the fact that they marketed as a Parisian romcom with Owen Wilson and Rachel McAdams. They really underplayed the fact that it was a Woody Allen film, and completely hid the central conceit. Therefore, it brought in a demographic that would normally never attend a Woody Allen film, plus all the Woodman's regulars.
This.

Plus all the 3-D screenings definitely added to the gross.

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:43 am
by knives
It wasn't in 3D.

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:02 am
by Grand Illusion
knives wrote:It wasn't in 3D.
I don't know how to say that I was kidding without (1) me sounding like a dick; or (2) you getting defensive and saying it wasn't a funny joke in the first place.

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:46 am
by matrixschmatrix
It was in 4D (because of the time travel.)

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:36 pm
by rohmerin
Help needed, whom and what is the beautiful smoth jazz piece in the stunning prologue ?

I found it: Sidney Bechets "Si Tu Vois Ma Mere"

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:41 am
by AWA
rohmerin wrote:Help needed, whom and what is the beautiful smoth jazz piece in the stunning prologue ?

I found it: Sidney Bechets "Si Tu Vois Ma Mere"
Yes, excellent piece - however, let's refrain from ever referring to anything Sidney Bechet ever recorded as "smooth jazz" ever again. Kenny G, who also plays soprano sax, plays smooth jazz. Sidney Bechet plays great American music. But for all intents and purposes, let's call it "traditional jazz" if you need to call it something.

Sorry - as a big fan of the music and a musician myself, I have to correct that one to be able to read this thread in the future :D

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:50 am
by Gregory
But if we're arguing terminology, "smooth jazz" is a misnomer. Kenny G doesn't play jazz, smooth or rough.

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:56 am
by Markson

Re: Midnight In Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:53 am
by mfunk9786
Lest anyone be the slightest bit concerned: The Blu-ray transfer of this film is divine.

Re: Midnight in Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:37 pm
by rohmerin
I am a foreigner and not expert in Jazz, so, I am sorry about my mistake with "smoth".
The beautiful Parisian prologue with that wonderful piece is in youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3ExqFAO ... re=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In the 1:30 and 1:31 we can enjoy that shot full with Chambre de bonnes. Gorseous shot, in my opinion, like in a Rene Clair's film, the roots with chambre de bonne are the real essence of Paris.

Re: Midnight in Paris (Woody Allen, 2011)

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:12 am
by AWA
Midnight In Paris is Tarantino's #1 film of 2011.

This shouldn't be too surprising as he is admittedly a big Woody Allen fan, but also a fan of later Woody Allen as well. He picked 2003's Anything Else as one of the best films of the 00's.