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$80 RRP for 1 film, that must be a record.
and the cover sucks.

I like the cover.



$80 is perverse though. For that it should include a Jonathan Rosenbaum commentary, some Mihaly Vig music videos and a bonus Easter Egg of Tarr's version of The Aristocrats. We know he can be funny.

godardslave wrote:$80 RRP for 1 film, that must be a record.
and the cover sucks.

I like it too. And certainly a better cover than the Clavis edition.

I certainly hope no one is going to be buying the Facets Sátántangó.
It's will almost certainly be inferior to the Artificial Eye edition and it costs way more.

mbalson wrote:I certainly hope no one is going to be buying the Facets Sátántangó.

It's will almost certainly be inferior to the Artificial Eye edition and it costs way more.

I agree. I have the Artificial Eye edition and it's as good as the film is likely to get. A must-buy.

Has anyone seen Facets edition?
I watched the Clavis edition. Pretty good, but some subtitle errors along with a large black splotch in the upper right of the frame which recurred roughly every 10 minutes.

Does anyone know if the AE edition is better than the Clavis?

Lemmy Caution wrote: a large black splotch in the upper right of the frame which recurred roughly every 10 minutes.

Reel change markers. Not really a flaw. You'd certainly see these if you saw the film in the theater. Which brings up an interesting issue: should these markers be left in on DVD transfers or removed?

denti alligator wrote:

Lemmy Caution wrote: a large black splotch in the upper right of the frame which recurred roughly every 10 minutes.

Reel change markers. Not really a flaw. You'd certainly see these if you saw the film in the theater. Which brings up an interesting issue: should these markers be left in on DVD transfers or removed?

Removed. They were distracting, unnecessary and not part of the intended visuals of the film. I wouldn't imagine it would be too hard to remove as they are brief. Does the AE version contain reel markers as well? And is the AE version of ST better than CLavis (or Facets)?

Lemmy Caution wrote:

denti alligator wrote:

Lemmy Caution wrote: a large black splotch in the upper right of the frame which recurred roughly every 10 minutes.

Reel change markers. Not really a flaw. You'd certainly see these if you saw the film in the theater. Which brings up an interesting issue: should these markers be left in on DVD transfers or removed?

Removed. They were distracting, unnecessary and not part of the intended visuals of the film. I wouldn't imagine it would be too hard to remove as they are brief. Does the AE version contain reel markers as well? And is the AE version of ST better than CLavis (or Facets)?

I only suggest they should remain because if we want to preserve the look of an original theatrical projection, they would stay. You can't go to the theater to see any classic film without these.

I vote for "removed" - they're not necessary for anything other than theatrical projection, and I really can't believe directors and cinematographers would vote for their retention across all media unless it was a Guy Maddin type of film where deliberate surface abuse is part of the overall texture.

In any case, if you want to retain the theatrical experience, how about sticking silhouetted heads at the bottom of the frame, and not especially sotto voce whispering and rustling coming out of one of the speakers? In fact, you could make good use of a 5.1 setup to have mobile phones going off at various parts of the virtual auditorium.

MichaelB wrote:In any case, if you want to retain the theatrical experience, how about sticking silhouetted heads at the bottom of the frame, and not especially sotto voce whispering and rustling coming out of one of the speakers? In fact, you could make good use of a 5.1 setup to have mobile phones going off at various parts of the virtual auditorium.

The Chinese pirates are way ahead of you, camcording first-run theatrical releases. I haven't picked up any of those in a few years, but I do remember heads, coughs, audience laughter, a coat pulled over the camcorder when an usher passes by, etc. I also remember friends telling me stories of the camcorder operator loudly munching popcorn for a flick or two, and another where the guy had audible gas. Everything but your feet sticking to the floor.

I've just picked up the Hungarian (Mokep) DVD of Family Nest - the physical blemishes are identical to the Facets, and the running times are only seconds out, suggesting that both were sourced from the same PAL Digibeta master.

However, the Mokep disc has a much higher bitrate (average 9.0!), optional subtitles, a progressive encode, is native PAL (region 2), and probably looks about as good as this film is ever likely to (given that the ultra-grainy cinematography and evidence of poorly-maintained camera gates are presumably inherent in the original materials).

God knows where you'd order it from online, though - I bought it in a Budapest bookshop.

MichaelB wrote:God knows where you'd order it from online, though - I bought it in a Budapest bookshop.

Of course, what you should have done was let all of us know you were going to a Budapest bookshop and taken our orders!

tavernier wrote:Of course, what you should have done was let all of us know you were going to a Budapest bookshop and taken our orders!

No chance of that, I'm afraid - firstly, I didn't know I'd get a chance to visit any bookshops until the final morning (I was only there for 48 hours, as a short wedding anniversary break), and secondly, my wife practically divorced me on the spot when she caught me trying to cram 14 DVDs plus several books into one of our suitcases...

MichaelB wrote:

tavernier wrote:Of course, what you should have done was let all of us know you were going to a Budapest bookshop and taken our orders!

No chance of that, I'm afraid - firstly, I didn't know I'd get a chance to visit any bookshops until the final morning (I was only there for 48 hours, as a short wedding anniversary break), and secondly, my wife practically divorced me on the spot when she caught me trying to cram 14 DVDs plus several books into one of our suitcases...

That sounds familiar.

God knows where you'd order it from online, though - I bought it in a Budapest bookshop.

NetPiac has the MOKÉP-disk for around 26 US dollar.

tavernier wrote:

MichaelB wrote:God knows where you'd order it from online, though - I bought it in a Budapest bookshop.

Of course, what you should have done was let all of us know you were going to a Budapest bookshop and taken our orders!

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