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Like how you dropped that in there. Shoah is absolutely stunning, unforgettable and will be a must buy.

jamie_summers wrote:Like how you dropped that in there. Shoah is absolutely stunning, unforgettable and will be a must buy.

Some people seem to be somewhat outside of the loop, this thread might help.

Play.com says October 23.

Available for pre-order at amazon.co.uk.

Amazon does seem to be the better choice at the moment.

davidhare wrote:MK 2 has released most if not all of them. I think (but cant be sure) with the Neil scores.

A 4 DVD set from Arte Video/Lobster films released a while back in France contains all 32 shorts and some do indeed have Neil Brand on piano. See http://www.frombutcherboytoscribe.co.uk ... item_no=28 for more details, including music credits for each short where it's noted on the DVDs/packaging.

derek wrote:

davidhare wrote:MK 2 has released most if not all of them. I think (but cant be sure) with the Neil scores.

A 4 DVD set from Arte Video/Lobster films released a while back in France contains all 32 shorts and some do indeed have Neil Brand on piano. See http://www.frombutcherboytoscribe.co.uk ... item_no=28 for more details, including music credits for each short where it's noted on the DVDs/packaging.

Yeah that was the boxset I was talking about as it has the infamous lost final joke on Hard Luck...

A full page press advert for the set from the London Film Festival programme bigger version here

davidhare wrote:Do tell!!

Will have to wait.... but there is a great story about it, when this missing joke arrived at Lobster for Serge Bromberg the footage had come on a negactive setting that no one had ever seen before... they had to re run the film digitally, to even get see what it was. Keaton talks about it in his autobiography and there is a small line about it in both Blesh biography and also in Dardis biography; although it was taken out after the first hardback print in 1979...

If you want me to tell you what the sequence is, email as I don't want to give away the joke to people who don't want the joke spoiled....

The Arte Video 4 disc set has all the same titles as this new one. I have emailed MOC asking the difference between the two.

Best,
GF

greggster59 wrote:The Arte Video 4 disc set has all the same titles as this new one. I have emailed MOC asking the difference between the two.

Best,
GF

If it will help, I'll consult my inside source for you, greggster.

Hey Nick! Check your e-mail!

-Toilet Dcuk

Any reliable info would be most appreciated. I am a big fan of the MOC series but would like to avoid a double-dip if I could.

Thanks, mate!

GF

The French ARTE set has modern French intertitles on about 3/4 of the films in the set. The MoC box will not have any French intertitles.

The restorations are all from the same source (Lobster Films) and in many cases, they're not in the greatest shape, but they are the oldest films we've yet encountered in the MoC Series and these are the best available materials.

Our encoding should hopefully be better than the ARTE set, which is over 5 years old -- and we've got a few extras lined up, mentioned earlier in this thread. The book is now 180-pages, not 212-pages as previously advertised.

peerpee wrote:The French ARTE set has modern French intertitles on about 3/4 of the films in the set. The MoC box will not have any French intertitles.

The restorations are all from the same source (Lobster Films) and in many cases, they're not in the greatest shape, but they are the oldest films we've yet encountered in the MoC Series and these are the best available materials.

Our encoding should hopefully be better than the ARTE set, which is over 5 years old -- and we've got a few extras lined up, mentioned earlier in this thread. The book is now 180-pages, not 212-pages as previously advertised.

Thanks for the response. I noticed that although the Arte discs are DVD-9's, they exhibit a lot of combing artifact and are probably interlaced transfers. I'm not too thrilled about the tinted prints, either. IMHO, the black & white versions on the Kino and M2K sets are generally better. Just my preference really.

Best,
GF

If there are tints on some of the films in the Arte set, it's because the original prints were tinted that way. They haven't been tinted arbitrarily.

The cover on this has changed a bit.

I like it!

curious as to the best way to acquire all of keaton's works available on DVD. Is this the best way to go for the material?

Shite, edit that.

Will this set be ready to go in time for the current street date?

No.

We're struggling with last minute delays with it at the moment. It's the largest release we've done yet, and it's logistically quite difficult. Please bear with us. Should be about a week or 10 days late.

Take your time. I rather it be done right, than be done fast.

davidhare wrote:MK2

(if you can find 'em. You'll have to use a French etailer and the titles seem to drift in and out of print -I couldnt find Battling Butler only last June for instance.)

The Kino versions of the features are pretty good, but MK2 wipes them all out, with the sole exception of Go West.

As for the two MGM features Cameraman and Spite Wedding - I have the R1 TCMS which I am NOT crazy about, and again there are French discs of these as well, but quality thus far unknown.

The UK 3 disc set containing the MK2 restored versions of College, Steamboat Bill Jr and Three Ages is currently available at a bargain 13.99 at play.com and I totally agree with David... these are hugely better than the Kino versions.

- Derek

Strange. My order at play.com went to Order Taken, as it does just before it can send them. Now it's back to Preordered and the release date is 13th November. Let's hope that's the last delay and the teething delays don't turn out to be of the Wisdom tooth variety. We've been waiting a long, long time for this one.

The MoC website has updated, with a word on the final delay, which is indeed until November 20.

The specs also indicate, and I quote, "Over 740 minutes running time plus extras". Does this mean there will be video extras?

I'll let you all know when it's left the factory. Currently I'm proofing discs 3 and 4 and haven't seen the latest incarnation of discs 1 and 2 yet. We've got the hard box and the book printed, but not the Amaray sleeves.

There are no video extras... just six commentaries and the Buster Keaton party audio recording from 1962. The set is over 12hrs, so it's over 3hrs per disc.

Logistically, box set releases can be plagued with delays because there are so many components to get ready at the same time. We're still very hopeful of shipping on November 20th.

I don't argue that the tinted prints the transfers came from are arbitrary. Its just that I've seen other versions of these films in black & white. For example, the Mk2 B&W print of the General looks far sharper and cleaner than the tinted one.

That said, I am going to pick up the MoC version because I'm confident that they will look as good as is currently possible. Every other release they have out attests to this. Faust....wow! I never thought it could look that good.

Cheers,
GF

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