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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:22 am
by lord_clyde
Via_Chicago wrote:I'm still very disappointed this isn't going to be a Paramount DVD release. Not only does the transfer already look immaculate, but I'd be able to pay $10 for it. Criterion's going to throw a bunch of extras on this that I'm not going to watch and then charge me $40. If it were a transfer in need of serious work, I'd be more than happy that Criterion were releasing it, but the transfer on TCM looked great.
I think that getting The Conformist for ten bucks used up all that luck for the next decade.

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:26 pm
by Max von Mayerling
Right now it is $24.99 on Amazon. (And the Conformist is $12.99 - so as of today, on a per disc basis, the Criterion is cheaper than the Conformist. Or, if you hate all supplements, and just want to think of what you're paying to own the film, then you're paying an extra $12 because it is coming out on Criterion, if we're using the Conformist as our benchmark for a bargain.) (Not to dispute that the Conformist is a bargain.)

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:55 pm
by Via_Chicago
lord_clyde wrote:I think that getting The Conformist for ten bucks used up all that luck for the next decade.
You're right. I'm actually more inclined to complain about the impending release of Days of Heaven (which I, of course, will not), but despite my bitching, I'll probably still pick up Ace in the Hole at some point. It's a fabulous film.

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:01 pm
by souvenir
The new Entertainment Weekly has a write-up on the Criterion DVD, putting it at #20 on its "EW 100" list. Here's what they have to say:
EW wrote:WHY THIS: Previously unavailable in any video format, director Billy Wilder's scorching 1951 drama - about a cynical reporter (Kirk Douglas) who turns the tragedy of a man trapped in a cave into a media circus - is getting its due with a smashing Criterion release. 'ACE' EXTRAS: The two-disc set, in stores July 17, includes commentary from film scholar Neil Sinyard (who quotes William Holden's pungent remark that Wilder had a "mind full of razor blades"), plus interviews with Wilder and Douglas and an insightful afterword from Spike Lee. If you're looking for a change of pace from pirates, potty humor, and Potter, this is it.

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:45 am
by Jeff
There is a review up at Home Theater Forum. It sounds like a great transfer and a solid package all around.

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:02 pm
by mogwai

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:53 pm
by Joshua Dago
all sounds good. too bad it's again pictureboxed. that's such a waste. does it makes a difference to email them about it? can we start another petition?

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:55 pm
by domino harvey
my DVD Player overscans, so I'll just write to thank them for pictureboxing and we'll cancel each other out

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:59 pm
by Joshua Dago
buy a new one. why else would you spend so much money on dvds?

what the heck, i'm buying for $$$$ a month on dvds and like my 'collection' to be a bit more definitive.

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:05 pm
by davebert
They would become more definitive if you bought a worse DVD player/TV to compensate, no?

It's odd that the screens look much sharper than I remember seeing on TCM only two or three weeks before the DVD release; I figured we were going to see a screening of the fully remastered print, but it seems to have lacked sharpness in comparison. Maybe its my crappy TV.

It's a great film, though, and has some of the best descriptions of New York when Kirk's doing his monologue to a disinterested New Mexico newspaper staff early on in the film.

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:00 am
by Jeff

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:11 pm
by Greathinker
Savant , only four stars, what the hell!?

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:25 pm
by tryavna
Greathinker wrote:Savant , only four stars, what the hell!?
I don't think Savant uses the star system of evaluation. If you link directly from his main page, his reviews never have them. I suspect that DVD Talk editors add them later to fit the site's formatting, making educated guesses. (Many of Savant's reviews have straight four-star ratings down the line.)

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:20 pm
by souvenir
Criterion has an advertisement in today's New York Times Magazine for Ace in the Hole. Here's a scan I made:

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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:36 pm
by Person
Greathinker wrote:Savant , only four stars, what the hell!?
DVD Savant wrote:On a scale of Excellent, Good, Fair, and Poor, Ace in the Hole rates:
Movie: Excellent
Video: Excellent
Sound: Very Good
Always ignore the star rating on a Savant review - go by his rating below the technical review. It is a bit confusing, but its DVD Talk's template.

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:28 pm
by Gigi M.
souvenir wrote:Criterion has an advertisement in today's New York Times Magazine for Ace in the Hole. Here's a scan I made:

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Since when, Wages of Fear is considered a film noir?

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:57 pm
by tryavna
Gigi M. wrote:Since when, Wages of Fear is considered a film noir?
Didn't you know? Nowadays "film noir" means whatever anyone wants it to mean.

In fact, it's bordering on becoming a completely meaningless term.

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:40 pm
by Lemmy Caution
"In fact, it's bordering on becoming a completely meaningless term," he said noiringly.

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:58 pm
by Person
tryavna wrote:In fact, it's bordering on becoming a completely meaningless term.
It always was! I love many films that other people label "Film Noir", but all that happened was that American crime dramas and thrillers films became darker and more violent during WWII. I used to use the term for those films of the 40s and 50s, but it doesn't describe a film very well - 'dark' suffices. And there has always been dark films. It just seemed unexpected to the French critics at the time - the films seemed transgressive and they were. I didn't see I am a Fugitive from a Chaingang until last year and it pulverized me. Yet most so-called 'tough' films of this century do not. The Wages of Fear also remains a very powerful, uncompromising film with many audacious set-pieces that I find far more invigorating and impressive than Bruce Willis surfing a fighter jet down New York. So, it might not fit into the "Film Noir" box, but it is definitely darker, tenser and more cynical than most gold-seal Hollywood films about private detectives and blonde tarts babbling unrealistic dialogue, trying to look cool. Ace in the Hole is also a far better illustration of the cynical, hysterical dark side of the American psyche than gumshoes prowling around alleyways.

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:31 pm
by Gigi M.

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:28 pm
by tryavna
An interesting appreciation of the film from a journalist's point of view is up on Slate now.

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:59 pm
by The Elegant Dandy Fop
Anyone surprised by the Spike Lee afterward? When I saw it originally on the back of the case, my first reaction was "That Guy?", but he honestly had good points to say. He even showed off an original lobbycard, from it's re-release as The Big Carnival, signed by Kirk Douglas and Billy Wilder. Hell the guy is really enjoying the fact he's talking about it.

This was one of my best blind buys in a while. Recently, I've been staying away from special features, but the AFI interview is too good to pass up. I saw about 10 minutes of the Perfect Man documentary, and that seemed a bit more serious than the AFI interview, but nevertheless, excellent.

Also, the cover looks AWFUL online, but it's a lot nicer in person.

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:41 pm
by Belmondo
tryavna wrote:An interesting appreciation of the film from a journalist's point of view is up on Slate now.
Thanks for the link to this excellent article. Note that it is in the "News" section, not the "Arts" section. As they discuss journalism, we also get a deeper appreciation of the movie. It may be unconventional film noir in one sense, but, on the other hand, it epitomizes the film noir style in showing us the "crackup of the American Dream".

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:44 pm
by colinr0380

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:33 pm
by jbeall
What a great film! Kirk Douglas's acting is hammy by today's standards, but it fits right in with acting of the noir genre (although how much you want to categorize this film as noir is debatable).

I'd love to show this film to all my students--Clockwork Orange-style, with the students bound and unable to look away from the screen--and then tell them: this is about YOU, you bleating sheep!!! Turn off the damn tv and forget about Paris Hilton or Barry Bonds and go do something!!!

(Unreal. I'm 31, and I'm already a cranky old man. :cry: )