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Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:26 am
by Michael Kerpan
re: Kanzashi -- I found the boy's running sports commentary on poor CR's attempts to do his walking exercises VERY funny.
I'll have to watch those sequences of Late Spring very carefully during the next few weeks. ;~}
MEK
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:31 am
by HerrSchreck
artfilmfan wrote:
Back to Shimizu: In "Ornamental Hairpin", did anyone else find the sequence in which Chishu Ryu trying to cross the bridge very funny? I had quite a laugh watching this sequence.
I found the kids funny in a spunky, Ozu-esque kind of way (but not anywhere near as naughty), but I also found some unintentional comedy in there owing to Ryu's astonishingly bad physical rendering of a.. er,
Simple Limp. At times it stole from the poignancy I was trying to allow to bloom viz the symbolism of his physical handicap, and how the girl props him up on other levels. It didn't ruin the film for me, but when the basic foundation of your metaphor is poorly rendered, it hinders the smoothness (for me it did) of the easing into the deeper nuances of the text.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:48 pm
by Michael Kerpan
Given the time period of the film, it is possible that Ryu's character is a wounded war veteran -- who is staying at the spa for rest and recovery. Stepping on the hairpin could have exaggerated a pre-existing injury. There are lots and lots of undercurrents in Shimizu's films during this era. If one could find a translation of the original story, it might shed a little light on the matter -- but none seems to be available.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:38 pm
by HerrSchreck
It's one of the things I'm most anxious to see when the CC comes out-- how much more subtext does or doesn't come out via their subs.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:01 pm
by zedz
HerrSchreck wrote:I found the kids funny in a spunky, Ozu-esque kind of way (but not anywhere near as naughty), but I also found some unintentional comedy in there owing to Ryu's astonishingly bad physical rendering of a.. er, Simple Limp.
I agree that Ryu's performance is a real weak point, with all that theatrical 'wiping the sweat off' as well. Couldn't he have just put a stone in his shoe or something? The film's still great, but I much prefer the other ones in the box.
Japanese Girls at the Harbour is particularly surprising in terms of technique.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:41 pm
by artfilmfan
Ryu's performance in that sequence in Ornamental Hairpin, by itself, is not what makes the sequence funny. The actions (i.e., the commentary of the kids) and the reactions of the others (e.g., everytime Ryu is about to fall off) are what make the whole sequence funny.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:37 pm
by htdm
HTF review of the Shimizu set.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:33 pm
by Michael Kerpan
htdm wrote:HTF review of the Shimizu set.
Not, however, a very perspicacious review, alas.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:54 pm
by Fan-of-Kurosawa
And he does not compare the Eclipse set with the existing Japanese set.
He does not say for example if the transfers are better or not.
For many people, like myself, that already have the R2 set this is very important.
Well, I guess we will have to wait for the dvdbeaver comparison.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:22 pm
by Perkins Cobb
Michael Kerpan wrote:Not, however, a very perspicacious review, alas.
Find me somebody at the HTF who knows what that word means. Go on, I dare ya.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:12 pm
by poohbear
Perkins Cobb wrote:Michael Kerpan wrote:Not, however, a very perspicacious review, alas.
Find me somebody at the HTF who knows what that word means. Go on, I dare ya.
Or find me somebody at criterionforum that can properly use "mise-en-scene". Go on, I dare ya.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:18 pm
by HerrSchreck
Or find me a post from poohbear that isn't like nails down a chalkboard. Go on, I dare ya.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:43 am
by Matango
I see the liner notes on this Eclipse set finally get a credit, albeit just "-MK". Mr Kerpan?
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:26 pm
by sidehacker
Probably Michael Koresky, the guy who wrote the linear notes for almost all of the other Eclipse releases.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:26 pm
by Michael Kerpan
Matango wrote:I see the liner notes on this Eclipse set finally get a credit, albeit just "-MK". Mr Kerpan?
No, Criterion has not asked me to write liner notes (and given my continuing unhappiness on how they handle color in Ozu's films amd the like, they are not likely to ever ask me).
sidehacker wrote:Probably Michael Koresky, the guy who wrote the linear notes for almost all of the other Eclipse releases.
I'd probably only be able to write non-linear notes, in any event.
;~}
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:55 pm
by Matango
My mistake then. I just watched Mr Thank You tonight. The thing that struck me most was how the many people seen following or chasing the bus were shown in very slight slow-motion, especially noticeable with the boys who had been hanging onto the back. Very effective and quite beautiful, I thought, and unusual for an era that tended to speed things up rather than slow them down for effect.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:25 pm
by cdnchris
Matango wrote:I see the liner notes on this Eclipse set finally get a credit, albeit just "-MK". Mr Kerpan?
As sidehacker states it lists the "Contributing writer" as Michael Koresky. They also gave credit to Tag Gallagher for the notes on the Rossellini release.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:58 pm
by gyorgys
DVDbeaver review of the Eclipse 'Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu'
here.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:56 pm
by sidehacker
I'm almost tempted to double-dip here...
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:07 pm
by manicsounds
Very surprising about the different transfers.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:17 pm
by htdm
I didn't expect this either - definitely will be picking up this set too.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:36 pm
by HerrSchreck
I doubt that they're actually different transfers. CC has simply added some processing to the original transfers that drains the hue to pure b&w and tightened the edges.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:59 pm
by Michael Kerpan
Glad to see the Eclipse set seems to have turned out well. I will stick with my Shochiku set, however -- so as to have money (once Japan travel credit card bills are paid) to buy things like Criterions's recent Bunuel releases and upcoming Imamura ones.
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:56 am
by cdnchris
Re: Series 15: Travels with Hiroshi Shimizu
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:23 am
by Fan-of-Kurosawa
I am also very surprised about the differences in the transfers. The plain truth is that the Eclipse set looks a lot better.
But I will also stick to my Shochiku set because, well, I paid a lot of money for it (and Vol 2) and I don' t want to pay more for the same films.
However, I am happy about this release because it will introduce many more people to Shimizu and they in turn may buy Shochiku' s Vol. 2 (which I don' t think that Criterion will ever release) and this in turn may "persuade" Shochiku to release more sets. Ok, I know this is a long shot but one can always hope. [-o<