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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 12:56 pm
by FrauBlucher
Wow. I didn’t realize the bluray was released 11 years ago. Time flies!!!!
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 1:24 pm
by ryannichols7
FrauBlucher wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 11:49 am
To me,
Dazed and Confused getting a UHD release smells like a director pushed release. I can’t imagine this was at the top of CC’s list of films to be upgraded for the format.
I personally hate the film in every way....but even I can recognize it was a good candidate for them to upgrade. this definitely has to be one of their top sellers - it was a quick BR upgrade when that format started, and now same for 4K. it definitely is a big seller - it's nothing more than an empty shell of nostalgia, an
American Graffiti for another generation up, which absolutely gets a large number of sales. basically any title that both Universal and Criterion hit (including the far superior
Fast Times) is a good candidate for an upgrade and I wouldn't be surprised to see any of these titles going forward - I'm sure Gilliam will be back for
Brazil and
Fear and Loathing in due time
as promised, I never give my opinions on the releases in the roundup post so I will here.
Romeo and Juliet is exciting on the "we're still working with Paramount
and releasing movies from problematic directors" front, but what a dire choice to indicate both. all the extras across the board are pretty light which is a huge disappointment. I appreciate that this is now the fourth month in a row they've released a boxset - and luckily it is the one release I want (
Three Colors, a prized boxset for me), but I do wonder when we will see the Eric Rohmer and Kinuyo Tanaka boxsets. people may guess
Atlantics,
Mudbound, and
Medicine for Melancholy every month but those two are the far more enticing releases for me I'd say - I am far more likely to give a boxset a chance, especially if they do a good job on the extras. after this month, I worry about it a little bit - especially for a director like Tanaka who's films have received so little attention stateside
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 2:39 pm
by fiendishthingy
I do wonder if, whenever they get around to Tanaka, it’s going to turn out to be another Márta Mészáros situation — where Janus has a bunch of her films but Criterion has only (at least so far) released one title as a standalone release instead of going the box set route. In Tanaka’s case, I would guess that would be Forever a Woman.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 4:56 pm
by Computer Raheem
ryannichols7 wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 1:24 pm
people may guess
Atlantics,
Mudbound, and
Medicine for Melancholy every month
I feel targeted by this 8-[
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:01 pm
by ryannichols7
fiendishthingy wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 2:39 pm
I do wonder if, whenever they get around to Tanaka, it’s going to turn out to be another Márta Mészáros situation — where Janus has a bunch of her films but Criterion has only (at least so far) released one title as a standalone release instead of going the box set route. In Tanaka’s case, I would guess that would be
Forever a Woman.
I am hoping Criterion is moving past their "incredibly slow roll of titles over the course of a decade (or longer)" method they've done with Chaplin, Juzo Itami, etc. the UK labels are trouncing them on the boxset model, and even Kino did it with the Jancso set. the new Zetterling and Duras sets seem to point that they are seeing the advantages of this model (the Von Trier and Haneke boxes are actual trilogies so I won't count those) and I think the consumer is way more willing to take a blind buy risk on a boxset where you get a lot of films and good treatment at a solid price. compare this to a single title with limited extras and a flimsy foldout insert, I think people are less likely to go for that. boxsets have that "gotta have it" aspect in a way
Adoption is a different circumstance I'll say - since Second Run already had their own region free disc out, seemed like a given that Criterion would match it. plus, it was the first Hungarian film
period in the collection (1100+ spines in) and is by and large Mészáros' biggest film. Tanaka's filmography I think is a little more balanced. I do think (and hope) Mészáros will eventually get a boxset of the remaining films...if they elect to go the "slow rollout" option I suspect much of the films will never see discs, which...is an endless source of frustration
Computer Raheem wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 4:56 pm
ryannichols7 wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 1:24 pm
people may guess
Atlantics,
Mudbound, and
Medicine for Melancholy every month
I feel targeted by this 8-[
hey, there's nothing wrong with it! all three have been confirmed at various stages. I'm just not interested in any of them, so that's why I singled them out
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:24 pm
by JSC
I emailed Criterion a few months back to ask about the possibility of doing some kind
of blu-ray version of the Eclipse line and they said there were no plans for this, at least
in the immediate future.
Personally, I think they should seriously consider this as a means of getting more films
out by certain filmmakers rather than do the occasional piecemeal set. I'd sooner have
the films than a few cursory extras.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:40 pm
by DeprongMori
I got the impression that’s essentially what the recent Zetterling, Haneke, Duras releases were — Blu-rays in the Eclipse model.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:49 pm
by swo17
But better because they're not beholden to the remit of "no extras"
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:58 pm
by FrauBlucher
ryannichols7 wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 1:24 pm
FrauBlucher wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 11:49 am
To me,
Dazed and Confused getting a UHD release smells like a director pushed release. I can’t imagine this was at the top of CC’s list of films to be upgraded for the format.
I personally hate the film in every way....but even I can recognize it was a good candidate for them to upgrade. this definitely has to be one of their top sellers - it was a quick BR upgrade when that format started, and now same for 4K.
FrauBlucher wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 12:56 pmWow. I didn’t realize the bluray was released 11 years ago. Time flies!!!!
These are not mutually exclusive. For whatever reason, maybe just senility setting in, I was of the thinking that
Dazed and Confused was much more recent than over a decade (like within the last few years). Therefore I retract my first thought.
I think we are going to see many more sets of multiple films. Its cost effective for Criterion at this current time of economic stress.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:51 am
by rrenault
DeprongMori wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:40 pm
I got the impression that’s essentially what the recent Zetterling, Haneke, Duras releases were — Blu-rays in the Eclipse model.
I suspect a decent number of films ripe for Eclipse treatment don't even have masters strong enough to justify a blu-ray release, so they're just thrown on the Channel.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:33 pm
by FrauBlucher
This is purely speculation that I’ve seen start on another forum but find it plausible. Apparently the Goodfellas UHD has gone out of print. Which leads to a possible new UHD release from Criterion. Maybe we’ll get a month where we’ll see a Goodfellas Mean Streets announcement. Criterion likes to do those twofers every once in a while.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:21 pm
by yoloswegmaster
I hope that they plan on doing a "Scorsese at Warner Brothers" UHD boxset that includes GoodFellas, Mean Streets, After Hours, Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore, and Who’s That Knocking at my Door.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:43 pm
by FrauBlucher
That certainly seems possible with the way Criterion has has been releasing boxsets recently. But I suspect that something like Goodfellas would be released in UHD and I don’t know if they would include a UHD in the box.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:06 pm
by ryannichols7
The Departed is also UHD-less so far
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:38 pm
by omegadirective
Any chance we could get a UHD upgrade of Last Temptation of Christ?
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:08 pm
by beamish14
omegadirective wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:38 pm
Any chance we could get a UHD upgrade of Last Temptation of Christ?
I haven’t heard anything about Universal prepping a 4K master. With its 35th anniversary next year, I’d love to see a reissue of the film and finally get Peter Gabriel’s (who has a new studio album coming out as well) complete score
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:54 pm
by ryannichols7
all this Scorcese chatter here means it'll also never end on social media too even though there's countless directors/films getting no attention. I personally would rather see Petulia if we're talking Warner licenses from living directors
so it seems The Trial and The Man Who Fell to Earth will be the next two UHDs licensed from Studiocanal. pure speculation on the latter of course but I'd be surprised if Lionsgate did the US release (and I do know they did a bad rushed out BD in the past). I'm going to suspect that Canal will debut a new restoration of Contempt at Cannes next year for its anniversary year and timely release after Godard's passing and it'll see a UHD in the fall from both Canal and Criterion. curious to see if we get any Bluray-only upgrades/returning titles in the meantime (The Crimes of Monsieur Lange, Diary of a Chambermaid, et al)
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:28 pm
by Calvin
Criterion still haven't upgraded Breathless to UHD so I don't think we can take it for granted that they're doing them in any sort of order
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:26 pm
by ryannichols7
while fair, Breathless has its own range of issues I believe so I can see them not rushing to put that out, or waiting for a better master
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:47 pm
by Calvin
ryannichols7 wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:26 pm
while fair,
Breathless has its own range of issues I believe so I can see them not rushing to put that out, or waiting for a better master
I've seen plenty of criticism of StudioCanal's encoding but nothing about the underlying master?
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:26 pm
by yoloswegmaster
Three Wishes for Cinderella is the latest film to have the CC and Janus logos displayed at the start of the film.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:30 am
by rrenault
Can we take it for granted SC will be open to giving Criterion UHD rights for everyone of these titles though rather than just some and not others? After all, Lionsgate released Ran in the US.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:01 pm
by dwk
Not everything, but there are StudioCanal titles are known or heavily rumor to he back with Criterion. I believe that Lionsgate has the first option on StudioCanal titles, if they do not want a title it is up for grabs by the boutiques.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:03 pm
by beamish14
Since mid-October, the Hammer Museum/UCLA Film & Television Archive has been hosting a complete retrospective of Theo Angelopoulos’ features, and last night, his widow and artistic collaborator Phoebe Economopoulou came. She is in charge of overseeing his catalog, and while they’ve created DCPs of some films and intend to strike new prints, home video distribution doesn’t appear to be their priority or is simply beyond their capabilities at the present time, and she was careful to emphasize that Angelopoulos always cared more about theatrical presentations.
She did note that his family is in control of his entire oeuvre, so at least there don’t appear to be many legal barriers to his films eventually getting Blu-Ray/4K releases in North America. It really is a shame that there has been no new releases of his works in the decade since he passed away.
Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:18 pm
by Calvin
Fran said on the Radiance Discord that he contacted the Angelopoulos estate and they didn't respond. Hopefully they become more interested in home video distribution in the future - they seem happy to do so in Japan!