Re: 98 L'avventura
Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:34 pm
There are no scenes actually set in Palermo, are there?

That's why you get a brightness knob on your tellyartfilmfan wrote:I like the darker image of the Criterion DVD better.
When I first saw those Beaver shots I had the same reaction, but going back over them again I find the dvd shots to be underexposed a fair bit. I prefer the bluray now :)artfilmfan wrote:I like the darker image of the Criterion DVD better.
Sounds fantastic. Where can I pre-order ;)ellipsis7 wrote:I am researching & writing a book on Antonioni and have visited & photographed most of these locations, including Lisca Bianca, the abandoned village, Noto & Hotel San Domenico Palace, all of which remain pretty unchanged & recognisable.... I'm afraid you'll have to wait till I finish this magnum opus till I reveal all my discoveries... You're right about Piazza S. Bartolomeo & Sandro's apartment - some good observations about the locations of the open sequence in Rome are made by Jacopi Benci in 'Michelangelo's Rome' pp 64-67 of Cinematic Rome ed. Richard Wrigley (Troubadour publishing, 2008)...
BTW in my avatar image that's the island of Dattilo with Lisca Bianca half hidden behind the right hand edge, photographed at ~0530 (alba/dawn) from Panarea last July....
I am going to Sicily in a couple of weeks-and wanted to find this station but having googled Cefalu-it doesn't look much like the film !Sandro exits train at Castoreale, although it's actually Cefalu.
Since it's fresh in my mind from our previous discussion of Red Beard, if it helps, I read seemingly every single Kurosawa thread the same way. While reading effusive praise and the well-argued pinpointing of intricacies and insights in Kurosawa's works, I always feel an overwhelming sense of "I don't hate what Kurosawa does, but I also just don't care." The things people get out of Kurosawa's films and the things I find of interest do not make for a convincing Venn diagram. So I think we all have our Not For Me auteurs!Mr Sausage wrote:I'd love to know what people find so miraculous and affecting about this movie.
Maybe this says something about our differing reactions, but I grew up around intensely verbal and articulate people, who even in the grip of rage or hysteria would produce this tumble of perfectly formed expressive language that seemed to capture how they were feeling in all its complexity. Consequently, people standing about in confused silence is more alien to me. I know there are people like this, but I don't recognize them in my own life.Sloper wrote:His characters are not so talkative, nor so articulate, and in a way are therefore more recognisably human. I know lots of people who are a bit like them – I know none at all who are like the characters in Bergman (though I sort of wish I did).
Great point, although I think Bergman comes from a tradition where reality is explored through exaggeration and distortion. You aren't going to get neo-realism ala La Terra Trema even in Bergman's most 'documentary' work because he feels he has to hold a magnifying glass to things in order to draw out what he sees as most real in them. So something like The Seventh Seal has such a sure sense of the physical texture of the mediaeval world, but it accomplishes that feeling by making the details especially sensuous and available to experience. So you come away with an intense impression of the physical world, with its mud, cold, beer kegs, wind, flagellation, sun, grass, etc., but it's an impression whose intensity you're not going to get just living in the world--that or any other--because few people are that intensely focused on the physical texture of the world happening around them--they're too busy living it. So Bergman brings you closer to reality while also bringing his film away from it, paradoxically.Sloper wrote:Perhaps it’s because Bergman always seems to be talking about himself, and because his films are so theatrical, playful and self-aware. In a strange way, his joy in the creative process (which I think is the source of much of the warmth domino mentioned above) means that he’s never quite showing us ‘reality’, even in the documentary-like Scenes from a Marriage – it’s always a kind of theatrical simulation designed to facilitate the exploration and discussion of the relevant emotional and spiritual problems. There’s far less playfulness and warmth in Antonioni, who for all his use of artifice is trying to photograph that ‘terrible thing in reality’ that Giuliana talks about, or that the photographer in Blow-Up is obsessively trying to get at. It’s not a thing that can really be discussed or articulated, it can only be – as domino says – embodied in the moving images Antonioni shows us. The people we see in his films don’t appear to be playing at loneliness and alienation, they appear to embody it, to be it in fact.