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Re: 813-816 Wim Wenders: The Road Trilogy

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2026 5:08 pm
by The Curious Sofa
MichaelB wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2026 4:57 pm Oh, and this was the cover of the May 1977 of Films and Filming—and that's not a strategically placed sausage that the woman's reaching for. Which was a perfectly respectable magazine on open display in newsagents up and down the country (and indeed my school library), and this cover was by no means the only example I could have picked. In fact, here's another, which had to be censored by the eBay seller, so you'll have to use your imagination (but it'll probably be pretty accurate).
Films and Filming had the reputation of serving a second purpose as a closet gay magazine, regularely featuring nude or nearly nude male actors on its covers and inside.

Re: 813-816 Wim Wenders: The Road Trilogy

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2026 5:42 pm
by MichaelB
...and necessarily euphemistic personal ads inside, as they started running them before male homosexuality was decriminalised in 1967.

It's a fascinating repository of mid-20th century British social history.

Re: 813-816 Wim Wenders: The Road Trilogy

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2026 11:42 pm
by Orlac
MichaelB wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2026 4:57 pm Way back in 1964, Old Shatterhand, the third Winnetou western, featured a shot of a full-frontally naked woman (pubic hair clearly visible) diving into a waterfall. True, it was a very brief shot, but this was in a completely routine mainstream feature passed as suitable for children in Germany (and indeed filmed in 70mm for maximum detail!).

Hammer's When Dinosaurs Ruled The Earth has a fairly explicit nude scene (removed from the US version) and that film was passed 'A' in the UK.

Re: 813-816 Wim Wenders: The Road Trilogy

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2026 1:01 am
by Maltic
This thread has led me down a some rabbit holes these last few days. I suspect I'm now on a government watchlist based on google searches etc.

Re: 813-816 Wim Wenders: The Road Trilogy

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2026 1:49 am
by Aunt Peg
This is a pretty full on cover for S&S November 1976: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JNcAAeSw ... l1600.webp

I started buying S&S in very early 1977 and then a few years later collected all the back issues from January 1970 onwards. Despite it's 'colourful' covers and stills the magazine contained great articles and reviews. All my back issues of S&S and well as lots of magazines from that era and most recent ones are packed away in boxes.

During the pandemic lockdown I throw out some back issues of some magazines due to space issues. Sort of regret it of course but then on the over hand I haven't touched any of the magazines or books that I've kept.

Re: 813-816 Wim Wenders: The Road Trilogy

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2026 3:34 am
by mfunk9786
TMDaines wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2026 1:00 pm
mfunk9786 wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2026 9:48 pm Arrived from Amazon in perfect condition. LQ thinks I’m a creep, but I just know this box set will be out of print for possibly a few years (if not permanently) and it’s been on my long list for a while. I’ll close my eyes or leave the room or leap off our roof during the offending moment.
Fascinated by how you got a mint boxset from Amazon US. Everything I get sent out from them comes in a paper bag and is battered to death!
First time it’s ever happened, probably

Re: 813-816 Wim Wenders: The Road Trilogy

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2026 5:50 am
by MichaelB
Maltic wrote:This thread has led me down a some rabbit holes these last few days. I suspect I'm now on a government watchlist based on google searches etc.
To quote from near the end of my recent Taxidermia commentary:
Although it’s not at all unknown for hanged men to become aroused, sometimes even to the point of ejaculation, for the same reason that some people are into erotic asphyxiation, I gather such a thing is impossible after beheading, because the decapitation process causes an immediate and catastrophic loss of blood pressure, making an erection physiologically impossible. Incidentally, if I get arrested after delivering this commentary and my recent Google search history is aired in court, they might as well throw away the key there and then.

Re: 813-816 Wim Wenders: The Road Trilogy

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2026 8:43 am
by olmo
I recall a passage in Peter Biskind's Easy Riders Raging Bulls where Nastassa Kinski made a tearful plea to (I think) Ned Tanen, the Universal president at the time, that Schrader had threatened to use explicit footage shot during the filming of Cat People. This, she said was in response to their rapidly disintegrating relationship during the shoot.

Not sure if Schrader ever did weaponise the footage but I do recall a fairly explicit open legs shot of Ms Kinski in the cabin sequence. 'He shoot me here' complained Kinski to Tanen, pointing to her crotch. Which caused much confusion at first.

She really has had as rough a ride as Maria Schneider by the sounds.

Re: 813-816 Wim Wenders: The Road Trilogy

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2026 1:54 pm
by TMDaines
My order from a 3rd party was cancelled due to no stock. Feel like an idiot for hesitating on whether to buy the Curzon or separate releases from Criterion and others, as I had been for several years.

Re: 813-816 Wim Wenders: The Road Trilogy

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2026 1:13 pm
by pistolwink
Kinski was consistently cast in "nymphet" roles in the first years of her career, and I would imagine her perceived willingness to perform in the nude in Wrong Move was one reason her career was taken down that particular path for a few years. It wasn't until Polanski's Tess that she was given a more substantial and complex—and not exploitative—role to play and she has always credited Polanski with treating her with respect and helping her come into her own as an actress. I assume the irony is not lost on anyone here.

Re: 813-816 Wim Wenders: The Road Trilogy

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2026 1:29 pm
by beamish14
pistolwink wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 1:13 pm Kinski was consistently cast in "nymphet" roles in the first years of her career, and I would imagine her perceived willingness to perform in the nude in Wrong Move was one reason her career was taken down that particular path for a few years. It wasn't until Polanski's Tess that she was given a more substantial and complex—and not exploitative—role to play and she has always credited Polanski with treating her with respect and helping her come into her own as an actress. I assume the irony is not lost on anyone here.
She very vigorously defended Polanski when asked point blank about him by David Letterman in 1982 while promoting Exposed, a film by ANOTHER sex pest

Re: 813-816 Wim Wenders: The Road Trilogy

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2026 3:44 pm
by The Curious Sofa
Polanski has always had many defenders, he appears to inspire a great deal of loyalty among those who have known and/or worked with him. With important caveats, that includes Samantha Geimer, who does not consider herself his victim. This does not excuse his actions, but her views reflect a level of nuance that is often missing from public discourse and social media. The suggestion that someone may have done something terrible without being reducible entirely to that one act is often interpreted as a defense of the act itself.

Re: 813-816 Wim Wenders: The Road Trilogy

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2026 10:58 am
by MichaelB
Geimer has repeatedly said that as far as she’s concerned the relentless and prurient media coverage has done her far more lasting psychological damage than what she regards as a few minutes of unpleasantness.

Indeed, so bad did the former situation get that she even found herself forming a weird alliance with Polanski, on the grounds that he was the only person who truly understood where she was coming from.

(Usual disclaimer: none of this remotely excuses what Polanski did, etc, etc)