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Biggest question -- will this also have badly restored sound?

I confess I have never heard of Furnival and Son, and Googling turned up nothing. Is this an Ozu short I've overlooked? If not, what accounts for its inclusion, as it doesn't sound to be thematically closely related? I'm already on the fence about triple-dipping for this, and an unseen Ozu short would certainly push me over.

I imagine it’s one of the many tangential British shorts included by BFI in the same spirit of the old Warner Brothers Night at the Movies DVD extras

domino harvey wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 5:00 am I imagine it’s one of the many tangential British shorts included by BFI in the same spirit of the old Warner Brothers Night at the Movies DVD extras

So it seems.

Cash Flagg wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 6:04 pm Is this the same 4K restoration used for the 2013 Criterion release, or the newer 2017 one noted by Tenia on previous page? I’m wondering if I should keep my double-dip pre-order.

Curious too. It's apparently available now, but I couldn't find any evidence one way or the other. Anyone?

yoshimori wrote: Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:43 pm

Cash Flagg wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 6:04 pm Is this the same 4K restoration used for the 2013 Criterion release, or the newer 2017 one noted by Tenia on previous page? I’m wondering if I should keep my double-dip pre-order.

Curious too. It's apparently available now, but I couldn't find any evidence one way or the other. Anyone?

This was posted on the other forum. Went ahead and ordered it but still waiting so can't confirm myself.

The booklet states- "The restoration was conducted by IMAGICA Corp. and Shochiku MediaWorX Inc. in 2017 from a 35mm interpositive...."

Thanks much, Misters Malaise and Put. I don't want to think about the ratio of number of times I've bought the film to the number of times I've watched it is, but here we go again.

Hi,

This is a great thread, thank you for all the good info on the latest Ozu restorations. I have two questions:

- Did anyone have the opportunity to compare the newer BFI/Carlotta Tokyo Story to the Criterion? Could elaborate on the differences?
- Does anyone know if there is going to be a CC or a new BFI on Late Autumn using the Imagica restoration used in the Carlotta?

I only ask this because I bought the Carlota coffret, but it ended up getting lost in the Brazilian mail (or Customs, most likely)... very sad. So buying a separate film should be less risky, I guess. And many films I already own anyway.

Thanks.

Not certain I can convince myself to buy yet another copy of Tokyo Story (much as I love it).

DVD Compare reviews the new release of Tokyo Story.

L.A. wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:32 pm DVD Compare reviews the new release of Tokyo Story.

Thank you. Very nice explanation on the film versions.

Drucker wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:44 am BFI Tokyo Story looks quite different than Criterion's

Grain scrubbed -- or just "artifacts" removed?

Michael Kerpan wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:11 am

Drucker wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:44 am BFI Tokyo Story looks quite different than Criterion's

Grain scrubbed -- or just "artifacts" removed?

It looks like there is still grain apparent. Looks like a better scan and more artifacts removed.

BFI looks more detailed to me

kcota17 wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:29 am

Michael Kerpan wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:11 am

Drucker wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:44 am BFI Tokyo Story looks quite different than Criterion's

Grain scrubbed -- or just "artifacts" removed?

It looks like there is still grain apparent. Looks like a better scan and more artifacts removed.

A better scan not likely, right? That would mean that two different 4k scans of whatever elements remain? Seems unlikely, but that they both had access to the same scan and BFI did a better job on some additional work?

I dunno, this does not look like Criterion over-did something and the BFI didn't: https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a=0 ... 23&i=1&l=0

I'm no expert reviewer, but I don't see how you could start with something in between those two and end up at one or the other with just some more or less extensive tweaking... Those really look like two different scans. (Also wow that's some horrendous macroblocking on the Criterion)

Drucker wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:59 amA better scan not likely, right? That would mean that two different 4k scans of whatever elements remain? Seems unlikely, but that they both had access to the same scan and BFI did a better job on some additional work?

It's a different scan. Shochiku/Imagica have done two 4K restorations, the first in 2011 and the second in 2017.

Either a better scan or a better restoration, if that's not too broad. It's like they created a better film element. (If memory serves, the OCN is long gone.)

L.A. wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:32 pm DVD Compare reviews the new release of Tokyo Story.

Thanks for this! The inclusion of The Brothers and Sisters of the Toda Family (this time in HD - last time was DVD-only) seals the deal. I'm definitely getting this.

hearthesilence wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:03 am The inclusion of The Brothers and Sisters of the Toda Family (this time in HD - last time was DVD-only)

Though still an upscale.

Cash Flagg wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:39 am

hearthesilence wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:03 am The inclusion of The Brothers and Sisters of the Toda Family (this time in HD - last time was DVD-only)

Though still an upscale.

Ugh, missed that detail. Regardless, it's an excellent film, so in terms of content (if not presentation), it's a pretty great bonus.

Toda Family was Ozu's homage to Make Way For Tomorrow -- as opposed to Tokyo Story being a sort of rejoinder. I find Toda Family too harsh and judgmental (just like its inspiration).

The OCN of Tokyo Story burned up in a lab fire (possibly) even before the film's official premiere. Luckily prints had already been made.

Michael Kerpan wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:28 pm The OCN of Tokyo Story burned up in a lab fire (possibly) even before the film's official premiere. Luckily prints had already been made.

That's crazy!

Toda Family was Ozu's homage to Make Way For Tomorrow...I find Toda Family too harsh and judgmental (just like its inspiration).

Hah, and this too! Well, count me as one of many who consider Make Way For Tomorrow a masterpiece.

hearthesilence wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:55 pmWell, count me as one of many who consider Make Way For Tomorrow a masterpiece.

That's certainly the "majority report".

I expected to like it -- but hated it (rather like Bong's Parasite). I gave it a second try, no upgrade of my opinion. I've decided that I'm (mostly) allergic to McCarey.