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movielocke wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:54 pm So yes, black panther helped, but the highest ratings in the last ten years were for the 2014 ceremony when 12 years a slave won but was nominated with a strong box office wave of films like: captain Phillips, American hustle, gravity, and wolf of Wall Street.

therewillbeblus wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:13 am VFX Society takes offense and slams Oscars for Cats ‘joke’

movielocke wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:54 pm

tenia wrote:I also highly doubt nominating more popular movies will change anything, even if they end up winning. Was the ceremony where Black Panther got noms more watched ? I don't recall so.

2020 is the all time low at 23.6 million viewers. 2019 was 29.6 million viewers (black panther). 2018 was the previous all time low with 26.5 million viewers
So yes, black panther helped, but the highest ratings in the last ten years were for the 2014 ceremony when 12 years a slave won but was nominated with a strong box office wave of films like: captain Phillips, American hustle, gravity, and wolf of Wall Street. That year got 43 million viewers.

CSM126 wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:48 pm

therewillbeblus wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:13 am VFX Society takes offense and slams Oscars for Cats ‘joke’

I can only assume the VFX Society hasn’t seen Cats, because those VFX sucked.

tenia wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:00 pm

movielocke wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:54 pm

tenia wrote:I also highly doubt nominating more popular movies will change anything, even if they end up winning. Was the ceremony where Black Panther got noms more watched ? I don't recall so.

2020 is the all time low at 23.6 million viewers. 2019 was 29.6 million viewers (black panther). 2018 was the previous all time low with 26.5 million viewers
So yes, black panther helped, but the highest ratings in the last ten years were for the 2014 ceremony when 12 years a slave won but was nominated with a strong box office wave of films like: captain Phillips, American hustle, gravity, and wolf of Wall Street. That year got 43 million viewers.

Audiences in M between the 72nd (2000) and 85th (2014) editions were hovering around 40M, with no peaks to speak of but 2 drops (75th-2003 and 80th-2008). Note that 2003 had LOTR The Two Towers amongst its nominees. Since 2015, audiences plumetted and have basically been halved (43.7M in 2014 --> 23.6M in 2020).
What's interesting however is the Nielsen ratings : these aren't plumetting. They're still oscillating as they've been for the past 20 years. 2019 was the best Nielsen rating since 2004, so in this regard, yup, it helped, but it's also clear that the 2019 26% rating equated to 29.6M while the 26.2% 2001 rating equated to... 42.9M.

So, did Black Panther helped ? Yes and no. The 26% Nielsen rating isn't much better than, say, 2016 24.3% one. That year, the average BP nom gross was $75.8m, half the 2019's one. It's not far from the 24.7% 2014 one either (average gross : $72m). Audiences also haven't droped compared to 2018, but they still dropped compared to 2017 and 2016. So it's just a blip in this regard.

What about the BO (at time of the noms announcement) ?
You're speaking about 2014. At the time of the noms announcement, it actually wasn't a very particuliar year. 2016's average gross is actually higher ($72m in 2014 vs $75.8m in 2016). And 2015, with better audience (but not a better Nielsen rating), had much smaller BP noms. And if you take 2012 and its insane combned gross ($1.2bn) and average gross ($119m), it wasn't that much worse or better than many other years pre-2014. It had a 21.2% Nielsen and 37.9m viewers, both fiures lower than 2012, 2013 or 2014's.

The real question I guess is : what happened since 2014 ?

kcota17 wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:35 pm

tenia wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:00 pm

movielocke wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:54 pm 2020 is the all time low at 23.6 million viewers. 2019 was 29.6 million viewers (black panther). 2018 was the previous all time low with 26.5 million viewers
So yes, black panther helped, but the highest ratings in the last ten years were for the 2014 ceremony when 12 years a slave won but was nominated with a strong box office wave of films like: captain Phillips, American hustle, gravity, and wolf of Wall Street. That year got 43 million viewers.

Audiences in M between the 72nd (2000) and 85th (2014) editions were hovering around 40M, with no peaks to speak of but 2 drops (75th-2003 and 80th-2008). Note that 2003 had LOTR The Two Towers amongst its nominees. Since 2015, audiences plumetted and have basically been halved (43.7M in 2014 --> 23.6M in 2020).
What's interesting however is the Nielsen ratings : these aren't plumetting. They're still oscillating as they've been for the past 20 years. 2019 was the best Nielsen rating since 2004, so in this regard, yup, it helped, but it's also clear that the 2019 26% rating equated to 29.6M while the 26.2% 2001 rating equated to... 42.9M.

So, did Black Panther helped ? Yes and no. The 26% Nielsen rating isn't much better than, say, 2016 24.3% one. That year, the average BP nom gross was $75.8m, half the 2019's one. It's not far from the 24.7% 2014 one either (average gross : $72m). Audiences also haven't droped compared to 2018, but they still dropped compared to 2017 and 2016. So it's just a blip in this regard.

What about the BO (at time of the noms announcement) ?
You're speaking about 2014. At the time of the noms announcement, it actually wasn't a very particuliar year. 2016's average gross is actually higher ($72m in 2014 vs $75.8m in 2016). And 2015, with better audience (but not a better Nielsen rating), had much smaller BP noms. And if you take 2012 and its insane combned gross ($1.2bn) and average gross ($119m), it wasn't that much worse or better than many other years pre-2014. It had a 21.2% Nielsen and 37.9m viewers, both fiures lower than 2012, 2013 or 2014's.

The real question I guess is : what happened since 2014 ?

1. Younger people not caring to tune into a 4 hour long awards show
2. Older people not buying into the illusion of Hollywood glamour anymore and associating Hollywood with just the political left now.

Ratings will probably be lower next year, regardless if Black Window wins Best Picture

felipe wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:02 pm But why is it that after 85 years all this people would suddenly stop caring about the Oscars in 2015?

Glowingwabbit wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:07 pm

felipe wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:02 pm But why is it that after 85 years all this people would suddenly stop caring about the Oscars in 2015?

A big part of it is that people are getting rid of cable. I dropped cable in 2014, although I never sat through the Oscar show even when I did. A lot of live events have taken a hit over the years because of this.

edit: what therewillbeblus said

Big Ben wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:09 pm

Glowingwabbit wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:07 pm

felipe wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:02 pm But why is it that after 85 years all this people would suddenly stop caring about the Oscars in 2015?

A big part of it is that people are getting rid of cable. I dropped cable in 2014, although I never sat through the Oscar show even when I did. A lot of live events have taken a hit over the years because of this.

edit: what therewillbeblus said

The Oscars, at least in the US are on ABC, which is available whether you have cable or not.

Nasir007 wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:08 pm
Not always true. I have a basic Sling TV package - that's my only live tv. Gives me some news, some lifestyle and sports. ABC is not offered. I actually couldn't use my SLING subscription to watch it.

I actually thinks this hurts viewership too.

“I agree with Ms. McGowan that it is inaccurate to call me ‘brave’ for wearing a garment with women’s names on it. Brave is a term I more strongly associate with actions like those of the women who have been testifying against Harvey Weinstein the last few weeks, under incredible pressure.” Portman added that she has made short films, commercials, and music videos with female directors including “Marya Cohen, Mira Nair, Rebecca Zlotowski, Anna Rose Holmer, Sofia Coppola, Shirin Neshat and myself. Unfortunately, the unmade films I have tried to make are a ghost history,” adding that she has tried to use her position to help “get female directors hired on projects which they were then forced out of because of the conditions they faced at work.” Portman ended with a promise to “keep trying. While I have not yet been successful, I am hopeful that we are stepping into a new day.”

DarkImbecile wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:08 pm This is why I push back on "the Oscars are meaningless and stupid" takes; literally millions more people will see Parasite now over the next several years, and some meaningful fraction of those will investigate Bong's other work and Korean/East Asian cinema as well.

Good night for cinema, as a result of a dumb awards show.

bearcuborg wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:39 pm Speaking of Marty...I didn’t see the show, but online I caught his reaction to Eminem (who was terrific) and I just thought, “man, I’m so much younger than him-but just the thought of being in uncomfortable clothes, sitting for hours at this silly show-I would probably pass-even at my age, life is too short!”

DarkImbecile wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:51 pm

bearcuborg wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:39 pm Speaking of Marty...I didn’t see the show, but online I caught his reaction to Eminem (who was terrific) and I just thought, “man, I’m so much younger than him-but just the thought of being in uncomfortable clothes, sitting for hours at this silly show-I would probably pass-even at my age, life is too short!”

You should make sure to catch the moment when Bong recognized him while collecting his Best Director Oscar, leading to an impromptu standing ovation from the crowd; hopefully that made it worthwhile for Scorsese to attend. Probably the best Oscar moment since the La La Land/Moonlight debacle.