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Beyond the dated Sony PR that has thus far yielded no licensed titles (to my knowledge), is there really any hard proof that anything else from Sony/Columbia will be coming beyond Bottle Rocket (the Apu Tilogy also being a decently speculated candidate)? As much as I'd love to see Safe, California Split, Fat City, Husbands, Love Streams (isn't that one still with MGM, though?), Obsession, In the Company of Men, Gas Food Lodging, The Spanish Prisoner, Homicide, Things Change, Spider, 32 Short Films About Glenn Gould, et al., does anyone think that Sony would really allow such a large chunk of their library out?

I know what they said in their PR, but I still can't quite believe it...happy to be wrong though, and have a situation like the onw with Universal emerge, where the titles will be a steady stream (not just a block like Fox or New Line) of both debuts and reissues. They (Sony) obviously hold a lot of their back catalogue in relative contempt, so it would be great to see, but I'm not holding my breath...the whole business seems to be moving like molasses if at all, so, as I say, I'm just going to wait and see, personally. May be a good time to make some coin off of the OOP titles, though, before they materialize again, if you're one of faith...I don't think I could live without California Split and Safe if they never made the CC, though. As well, who knows if the commentaries/other special features will make the leap for a bunch of the already released titles? That could be enough to dissuade CC from licensing some of them, I think (re.: the Seconds discussion in the Paramount thread).

Just one more tangent: I'm still not positive that Bottle Rocket wasn't just a trade for the Life of Brian CC commentaries, or whether the rights were just (forcibly or not) let go to their original holders (a la Slacker). I think that the same could explain the Apu Trilogy box, so I'm not sure that we should be so hopeful that any of the other aforementioned titles (and beyond) are coming. Not to spoil the party: just trying to be pragmatic. This is Sony after all: just look at what they did to the MGM catalogue vs. what Fox is doing now (though maybe that was lesson enough to them to start being smart with some of their own titles and license out). Only time will tell...

EDIT-My mistake: Safe seems to be OOP as well...It would be fantastic to see, but I can't imagine there being a whole lot of features to add beyond the pre-existing commentary. An improved transfer would be enough, though, and I'm sure that CC could come up with something interesting in conjunction with Haynes (if only Velvet Goldmine could find its way into their hands too).

And I think that California Split will only happen if the music rights can be cleared and the full version released, something I can't ever see being economically feasible enough to happen.

justeleblanc wrote:If we assume Criterion bought up a bunch of OOP Sony titles, should we start a running list of possibilities?

The few that came to mind:

REPULSION

You can scratch Repulsion off that list. Sony has announced a new - and bare bones - disc being released on December 4th.

Antoine Doinel wrote:

justeleblanc wrote:If we assume Criterion bought up a bunch of OOP Sony titles, should we start a running list of possibilities?

The few that came to mind:

REPULSION

You can scratch Repulsion off that list. Sony has announced a new - and bare bones - disc being released on December 4th.

At least the price is right: $15 for a (hopefully) solid transfer isn't bad. A more deluxe edition would've been nice, but would there really have been much to add (beyond the CC laserdisc commentary by Polanski)?

the R2 has a commentary with Roman Polanski and Catherine Deneuve

justeleblanc wrote:CALIFORNIA SPLIT

Isn't there a solid Altman California Split out?

The CALIFORNIA SPLIT that Sony released is missing a few minutes (this was a rights issue for music, but I honestly didn't follow the story so someone may know better) and I think it is out of print.

About REPULSION, I'm fine with the price. I've read and studied this film enough that I'm in no dire need of a "textbook in a box" release.

All right, now all we need is CUL-DE-SAC.

justeleblanc wrote:The CALIFORNIA SPLIT that Sony released is missing a few minutes (this was a rights issue for music, but I honestly didn't follow the story so someone may know better) and I think it is out of print.

You are correct, and, as I stated earlier, the only real reason for Criterion to release the movie would be to restore the missing footage/music, and I can't see them footing the bill for that. Unless the commentary is ported over, then there isn't much more features-wise that the movie really invites, IMO, so I really can't see it being worth Criterion's while (or ours, for that matter) in any way, as much as I'd love to see it happen in theory. The current disc is OOP, but you can scrounge up a copy without too much difficulty. It's a good release beyond the excisions, which are unfortunate but don't destroy the movie.

Cronenfly wrote:

justeleblanc wrote:The CALIFORNIA SPLIT that Sony released is missing a few minutes (this was a rights issue for music, but I honestly didn't follow the story so someone may know better) and I think it is out of print.

You are correct, and, as I stated earlier, the only real reason for Criterion to release the movie would be to restore the missing footage/music,

Another good reason would be to replace one of the worst, most inappropriate covers for a great film in DVD history. And they should take care of MODERN ROMANCE's hideous Sony artwork while they're at it.

Going back to the MGM speculation...William Wyler's The Best Years of Our Lives would be outstanding. It's shameful that that masterpiece doesn't have a special edition . The HBO disc (out of print) sounds like it was nice, but the current MGM disc is barebones and I doubt they'll ever rectify that.

jaredsap wrote:Another good reason would be to replace one of the worst, most inappropriate covers for a great film in DVD history. And they should take care of MODERN ROMANCE's hideous Sony artwork while they're at it.

Well, the list of Sony covers that need Criterion-level rectification is about a mile long, for movies both good and bad, but I'm definitely with you on California Split in that regard. I find Modern Romance's even worse, and am offended more by it of the 2 even though I'm not much of a fan of the movie itself.

California Split... Really? of all the films people have speculated/dreamed about Criterion releasing I can't think of a film I'd like to see less...

In fact, if I could erase one director from the history of cinema it'd have to be Robert Altman... I'd say his "work" offends me but I haven't seen Gosford Park so I won't go that far. The man certainly adds further proof to my weight that NOTHING GOOD EVER CAME OF THE 70's!!!!

(Yes I know he'd been around since the 50's)

125100 wrote: The man certainly adds further proof to my weight that NOTHING GOOD EVER CAME OF THE 70's!!!!

here we go again

125100 wrote: The man certainly adds further proof to my weight that NOTHING GOOD EVER CAME OF THE 70's!!!!

The phrase "nothing good ever came of the 70's" should be added to a word filter of sorts.

Please let's not go off topic about the 70's bring/not being a good decade. Doesn't make sense how a whole decade can be bad, but go figure.

125100 wrote:California Split... Really? ...

In fact, if I could erase one director from the history of cinema it'd have to be Robert Altman ...

The man certainly adds further proof to my weight that NOTHING GOOD EVER CAME OF THE 70's!

Altman was the greatest American filmmaker of that decade and of all time.

I would have to state that D.W. Griffith would possibly be the "greatest American filmmaker"... mainly for his invention of editing (and many other techniques still used today).

125100 wrote:California Split... Really? ...

In fact, if I could erase one director from the history of cinema it'd have to be Robert Altman ...

The man certainly adds further proof to my weight that NOTHING GOOD EVER CAME OF THE 70's!

Altman has "been around" since 1925. And were you even in America during the 70's?

Vivre Sa Vie, Love Is Colder Than Death, Two Deaths and Ai qing wan sui have all been discontinued. I could see all being likely releases for Criterion.

I'm sure the Godard is a given. We know Insignificance is coming, and since Criterion seems to have a strong relationship with Roeg, I suspect they'd like to get their hands on Two Deaths (or, maybe not. The film doesn't appear to be highly regarded. I've never seen it). Ai ging wan sui is just wishful thinking.

mogwai wrote:Vivre Sa Vie ...

I'm sure the Godard is a given.

Just as long as Criterion releases Vivre sa vie. For my money, it's one of Godard's best films, and I'd love to see a better version than the dvd I got from Netflix (was it Fox Lorber? I can't remember).

Vivre sa vie was released by Criterion on LD so hopefully this will be a future release.

FSimeoni wrote:Vivre sa vie was released by Criterion on LD so hopefully this will be a future release.

Criterion does own the rights, but no release date has been planned.

justeleblanc wrote:

FSimeoni wrote:Vivre sa vie was released by Criterion on LD so hopefully this will be a future release.

Criterion does own the rights, but no release date has been planned.

Is this known? I hadn't heard this before. Very exciting!

Yep, it's exciting.

Aside from Pierrot and 2 or 3 Things, Criterion also holds the rights to:

My Life to Live
Le Petit soldat
Les Carabiniers
Made in USA
La Chinoise (KOCH LORBER owns the theatrical print)

Anyone else see a killer Eclipse box?

justeleblanc wrote:Anyone else see a killer Eclipse box?

I see lots of killer Eclipse boxes, but Criterion
a) doesn't listen to me #-o
b) needs to put some more sets together... we're waiting!

I feel pretty strongly about all Godard films from this period and could make this argument for all of them deserving their own separate releases, but especially with a high profile title like My Life to Live, I can not see it being hidden in a box with four other films. It's been out of print for almost two years now by the way.

The R2 Nouveaux release of Vivre Sa Vie is just fine, btw.