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we've been waiting for these right?

http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/ ... dolls.html

Valley of the Dolls: Special Edition

* Audio Commentary by Alonso Duralde
* Audio Commentary with the Cast
* Gotta Get off this Merry-Go-Round: Sex, Dolls and Showtunes
* Pill Pop-Up Karaoke: Follow the Bouncing Doll
* The Divine Ms. Susann
* Doll-A-Palooza: Addicts Forum A Go-Go
* Translate French Porn Movies
* What's My Line? Episode
* Multiple Screen Tests
* TV Spots and Trailers
* Archival Promotional Featurette
* Archival Making of Featurette
* Musical Numbers from ebay
* KD Lang Re-mix
* LACMA Event
* Backstory: Valley of the Dolls
* Pop Up Trivia Track-FMC
* Soap Opera 1994
* Mini Series 1981

Beyond the Valley of the Dolls: Special Edition

* Audio Commentary with Critic Roger Ebert
* Audio Commentary with Cast Members
* Above, Beneath and Beyond the Valley Featurette
* Look on Up at the Bottom Featurette
* The Best of Beyond: Psychedelic Scrapbook
* Sex, Drugs, Music & Murder - Signs of the Time, Baby
* Event Footage from S. Perry-Z-man's boobs
* Trailers 2:00 & 2:28 (1, 2 and G) plus teaser trailer
* Archival Promotional Piece
* Multiple Screen Tests

Too bad these won't be a Criterion release.

Man, I'm glad Fox listened to reason and put some effort into "Beyond." Between pulling the rights from Criterion, and the rumors that Fox was ignoring the cast members' requests to be involved with the disc, I was a little worried.

Not what Criterion would have put out. But, except for the lack of nay deleted scenes/uncensored footage being included (although that's a big, if not unforeseen, exclusion), this looks relatively solid. I wonder if a trailer for "The Seven Minutes" will be included as an easter egg?

-BJ

Full specs and cover art here at DVD Times.

With the possible exception of a booklet (which I know is a clincher for some), I can't imagine Criterion doing any better. Good old Fox!

Criterion could include the original novel by Jacqueline Susann as an extra.

The extras for the first film seem very interesting. Screen test by Judy Garland? But the most interesting extra is the 1981 Mini Series. According to IMDb the run time is 233mins, seems unlikely they will fit the whole series on one disc which is already filled with extras. Anyone have any extra info about this? Seems hard to believe.

Solaris wrote:Criterion could include the original novel by Jacqueline Susann as an extra.

The extras for the first film seem very interesting. Screen test by Judy Garland? But the most interesting extra is the 1981 Mini Series. According to IMDb the run time is 233mins, seems unlikely they will fit the whole series on one disc which is already filled with extras. Anyone have any extra info about this? Seems hard to believe.

Wasn't Garland up for he Helen Lawson role ? How much of the film was shot with her ?

I hope that this isn't a dumb question, but aside from the respective director's individual visions, how do these two films differ from each other? I ask because I want to get both, but right now the Russ Meyer is the greater pull for me.

I haven't seen Valley of the Dolls so I cannot really recommend it to you but I have seen Beyond(...) and it is really one of a kind, to put it very mildly!

From what I've been reading online since I've first heard of these two, they could not be more different from each other and the similar titles are really the only thing that connects them. Nothing else! From there, you're on uncharted territory - Beyond(...) is one of the most insanely written, photographed, edited, scored, acted, you name it, films I have ever, ever seen in my life! And that ending...! OMG!

So, what you're basically saying is get them both, right? I speak for myself and AMB, that is. I've never been terribly interested in Valley of the Dolls but your description sounds down-right enticing! Should I plunge for it too? I was thinking of only double-dipping on Beyond(...) - I already own the R2 - but now you made me doubt myself...

Now you're making that novel sound really good, too.

I've never seen either of these, but ratings for them aren't that good. Are they worth a blind buy? Or just a rent.

These kind of films are so BAD, they are good.

The book is such a good trashy novel, it could only make a good movie !

LightBulbFilm wrote:I've never seen either of these, but ratings for them aren't that good. Are they worth a blind buy? Or just a rent.

Ratings? What ratings? Please don't tell me that someone on this forum chooses what movies to watch based on IMDb ratings. If so, there's a special place in hell reserved for you. And it's hot.

LightBulbFilm wrote:I've never seen either of these, but ratings for them aren't that good. Are they worth a blind buy? Or just a rent.

they have numerous naked women with large breasts.
the decision is up to you, dear friend.

davidhare wrote:Kids - you want the sixties???

Valley begins with Diahann Carroll singing the theme to "Valley of the Dolls" (she's still alive thank god - just older than me!! but much more beautiful...)

Like have FUN., it only gets better!

I think that's Dionne Warwick on the theme song.

matt wrote:

LightBulbFilm wrote:I've never seen either of these, but ratings for them aren't that good. Are they worth a blind buy? Or just a rent.

Ratings? What ratings? Please don't tell me that someone on this forum chooses what movies to watch based on IMDb ratings. If so, there's a special place in hell reserved for you. And it's hot.

Not IMDb,, I read it on a website about them. I don't go to IMDb for ratings, you can't trust them.

filmfan wrote:

davidhare wrote:Valley begins with Diahann Carroll singing the theme to "Valley of the Dolls" (she's still alive thank god - just older than me!! but much more beautiful...)

I think that's Dionne Warwick on the theme song.

It is Dionne Warwick and not only does it begin with that song but that song gets friggin' repeated for what seems like EVERY 7 MINUTES through the duration of the film.

DVDTalk review

Really looking forward to Beyond after reading the review from DVDtalk. Seems like Fox pulled it off and gave us fans what we wanted.

It looks utterly fantastic. I wish they'd put Jonathan Ross's Incredibly Strange Film Show episode about Meyer on the disc, but it's already on the UK edition of Mondo Topless, so I shan't complain.

Looks fab. Now we just need "Seven Minutes", a somewhat underrated film. It features some of RM's best editing work, but gets bogged down in the courtroom scenes.

just FYI, if you buy them both together at Amazon you get $5 off, so it comes to about $35 together. cheaper then anywhere else I've found.

Solaris wrote:Criterion could include the original novel by Jacqueline Susann as an extra.

The extras for the first film seem very interesting. Screen test by Judy Garland? But the most interesting extra is the 1981 Mini Series. According to IMDb the run time is 233mins, seems unlikely they will fit the whole series on one disc which is already filled with extras. Anyone have any extra info about this? Seems hard to believe.

The thing is a 2 disc edition, but I find it impossible to believe that they are including the mini series as they are listing it along with with the '94 soap which ran for 13 episodes! I wish they would release both of these treasures of badness (for Veronica Hamel and Sally Kirkland respectively), but I suspect we are getting at most brief excerpts.

BTW, the original novel is brilliant -- the best trashy book ever written. A must read.

DVDdrive-in drops an amazingly thorough and engaging review of the Beyond disc! Worth a read:

http://www.dvddrive-in.com/reviews/a-d/ ... olls70.htm

2006 is half-over and Fox's lavish two-disc special edition of BVD has already stolen the title of Best DVD of the Year. Everything about this set is perfect, and not one DVD Drive-In reader should be without it. June 13, 2006 is a day that will go down in history for delivering an exceptional package of the greatest film Russ Meyer ever made, and a benchmark for any future special editions of any cult title. Mandatory!!

Annie Mall wrote:DVDdrive-in drops an amazingly thorough and engaging review of the Beyond disc! Worth a read:

http://www.dvddrive-in.com/reviews/a-d/ ... olls70.htm

2006 is half-over and Fox's lavish two-disc special edition of BVD has already stolen the title of Best DVD of the Year. Everything about this set is perfect, and not one DVD Drive-In reader should be without it. June 13, 2006 is a day that will go down in history for delivering an exceptional package of the greatest film Russ Meyer ever made, and a benchmark for any future special editions of any cult title. Mandatory!!

Thats one of the most positive quotes I've read in a long time. I don't really check out there site, are they pretty reliable reviewers?