Hellboy 2 (Guillermo del Toro, 2008)
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:16 am
Here's a look at the teaser poster.
Yeah, I read that too, I was shocked! I am taller than Ron Perlman, I feel so alive.Darth Lavender wrote:I read somewhere that he's actually only 6' (still above average; I'm 6' and get called "tall") but seems much bigger in his movies.
As far as it can be trusted, IMDB gives 6'2''.Darth Lavender wrote:Assumed you were being ironic, and clicked that link expecting to find some photos that make Perlman look very short.
I read somewhere that he's actually only 6' (still above average; I'm 6' and get called "tall") but seems much bigger in his movies.
Oooh, this looks very, very cool. Can't wait! I love that big beastie that shows up at the end of the trailer. Very Cthulhu-esque?mogwai wrote:Teaser trailer
Yeah, I haven't heard from very many people who share that opinion. I've seen Pan's twice and left disappointed the first time, pretty disgusted the second time.chaddoli wrote:Yeah, that trailer is pretty cool. I hope this will, like the first film, be much, much better than Pan's Labyrinth.
Very cool. Lots of monsters and snazzy special effects. I'm there. I really enjoyed the first film and this one is looking to be even better. They got rid of the annoying audience surrogate character from the first one. Thank god!Antoine Doinel wrote:Theatrical trailer with introduction by del Toro.
I can't help but agree, and I'm surprised to hear so much love for this film here (well, maybe not that surprised). The first film's pacing is all off, and the acting is uniformly terrible, up to and including Ron Perlman. Selma Blair is wooden, and Doug Jones "expressive" body movements for Abe Sapien needed to be reigned in. I agree that Pan's Labyrinth has some pacing issues, but overall that film flows much better than this, which has almost no plot development (half of the film's events are poorly set up, especially the bizarre ending) and only the simplest character development. Hellboy's one-liners are never funny, and always break up the mood, and the special effects outside of the CGI and the makeup are pretty bad. How many times do we have to see Hellboy punch at a paper mache wall, or crash into cardboard painted as steel? Hellboy's weight and speed vary depending on whether he is animated, being pulled by strings, or just walking. There's no consistency, and his movements are just as unbelievable as his dialogue. The film utterly fails to create a sense of Hellboy's powers or purpose.J Chastain wrote:As an adaptation, the first film got most everything but the visuals wrong. Especially troubling was the notion that Hellboy would start the apocalypse if he thought it would save his "girlfriend." He's a more interesting character than that in the books. It was also clear that they'd sold the project as a variation on Men in Black, and that seriously limited the scope of the ideas they could explore.
The larger scale of Hellboy 2 is promising. The production design (sets, creatures, etc.) is promising. The fact that they've ditched the useless Rupert Evans character is promising. I like the Mysterio look for Johann, and even though they've hinted he's part of some "love triangle" in the picture, his inclusion is promising.
I'm hoping that Del Toro's writing has improved. Pan's Labyrinth had many of the same problems Hellboy had: the pacing is haphazard and he tries to run too many threads with too many characters at once.
The teaser trailer does nothing for me--it's just a lot of shots of CGI things happening. They need to be selling the audience on the characters: showing the things they do and the ways they interact with each other. They can't take it for granted that anyone saw the first film. Many people did not. They have to work hard to convince people that this isn't just another Van Helsing or LXG, and even then their release may be doomed because they're going to get killed by Batman on the following weekend.
I disagree. The only performance I felt lacking was the obvious audience identification character who is thankfully gone from the sequel and, I believe, was imposed on Del Toro. Other than that, I thought everyone acquitted themselves just fine with Perlman being the real standout as he got to deliver all sorts of snazzy one-liners and actually was able to bring out the personality of the character while being buried under tons of makeup. Selma Blair really did not have too much to do but I thought she did a good job and the "expressive" body movements of Abe Sapien I felt were key to his character and were quite good.Svevan wrote:I can't help but agree, and I'm surprised to hear so much love for this film here (well, maybe not that surprised). The first film's pacing is all off, and the acting is uniformly terrible, up to and including Ron Perlman. Selma Blair is wooden, and Doug Jones "expressive" body movements for Abe Sapien needed to be reigned in.
Again, I disgree. I thought it was a fine adaptation of Mike Mignola's Hellboy: Seed of Destruction graphic novel but with little tweaks here and there. If anything, this film is ALL plot development and story. The ending is not that bizarre at all and is explained by Hellboy.I agree that Pan's Labyrinth has some pacing issues, but overall that film flows much better than this, which has almost no plot development (half of the film's events are poorly set up, especially the bizarre ending) and only the simplest character development.
I disagree. The SFX for the budget Del Toro was working with are quite good and do an excellent job of illustrating Hellboy's powers -- as good as any of the comic books the film is based on and done quite well in the scene where he battles Sammael. The only problem I had was the sets that obviously looked European but were supposed to be New York City but was a minor quibble at best.Hellboy's one-liners are never funny, and always break up the mood, and the special effects outside of the CGI and the makeup are pretty bad. How many times do we have to see Hellboy punch at a paper mache wall, or crash into cardboard painted as steel? Hellboy's weight and speed vary depending on whether he is animated, being pulled by strings, or just walking. There's no consistency, and his movements are just as unbelievable as his dialogue. The film utterly fails to create a sense of Hellboy's powers or purpose.
Really? I thought A History of Violence was great.blindside8zao wrote:Hellboy was the only movie (except maybe Spiderman 2) based on a graphic novel that I enjoyed and I'm looking forward to the new one.