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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:14 pm
by Gigi M.
From DVDTimes:

[quote]Warner Home Video have announced the Region 1 DVD release of Bonnie and Clyde on 25th March 2008. The influential film classic starring Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway and directed by Arthur Penn will be offered as a Two-Disc Special Edition and, available for a limited time only, an Ultimate Collector's Edition. Both have been completely remastered from the original elements, and both boast more than three hours of new bonus content, highlighted by “Revolution! The Making of Bonnie and Clyde,â€

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:38 pm
by John Hodson
There's a UK R2 scheduled for release around the same time, as usual, though no UCE.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:45 pm
by Belmondo
This looks to be the same kind of thinking that gave us the two disc editions of BUGSY and REDS - good bonus features but no commentary track.
If you are as old as I am, then you will remember the time when Warren Beatty flatly refused to talk to anyone or do anything to promote his movies; all we knew was that he had slept with every woman in Hollywood. Somewhere around the time of DICK TRACY, he began to open up and prove himself a highly intelligent man with plenty of good filmmaking input, even if he was not directing, as here.
Putting ego aside, I find some of his thinking to be very smart:
"I was determined to cast Jack Nicholson [on REDS] because I knew he was the only guy that audiences would believe could steal a woman away from me."
"We were having creative problems [on BUGSY] and I always made sure three people were present for any discussion so that one person would not dominate another."

Good stuff, but I would still prefer to hear it on a commentary track. My opinion is that commentaries are the single best feature of the DVD format, and they are the first thing I look for, especially when a movie is getting a re-release.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:54 pm
by domino harvey
It seems like they could have easily found an Academic to talk about the film, very disappointing that they've been working on this for years and this is the best they could do.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:56 pm
by skuhn8
Belmondo wrote:This looks to be the same kind of thinking that gave us the two disc editions of BUGSY and REDS - good bonus features but no commentary track.
If you are as old as I am, then you will remember the time when Warren Beatty flatly refused to talk to anyone or do anything to promote his movies; all we knew was that he had slept with every woman in Hollywood. Somewhere around the time of DICK TRACY, he began to open up and prove himself a highly intelligent man with plenty of good filmmaking input, even if he was not directing, as here.
Putting ego aside, I find some of his thinking to be very smart:
"I was determined to cast Jack Nicholson [on REDS] because I knew he was the only guy that audiences would believe could steal a woman away from me."
"We were having creative problems [on BUGSY] and I always made sure three people were present for any discussion so that one person would not dominate another."

Good stuff, but I would still prefer to hear it on a commentary track. My opinion is that commentaries are the single best feature of the DVD format, and they are the first thing I look for, especially when a movie is getting a re-release.
If I recall it was after Shampoo that Beatty got thoroughly burned by the media, being misquoted in interviews, etc. I remember sometime in the mid-eighties he granted Rolling Stone the rare opportunity of a poolside interview. Taciturn would be putting it lightly. Following the meeting the interviewer instructed his transcriber to time and note the length of the pauses between question and answer. One or two word answers following several minutes of dead quiet reflection.

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:59 pm
by Jeff
domino harvey wrote:It seems like they could have easily found an Academic to talk about the film, very disappointing that they've been working on this for years and this is the best they could do.
I wonder if they asked Arthur Penn and he turned them down. He did a track for Warner's disc of The Left-Handed Gun. I would have liked to hear from him on Night Moves too.

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:37 pm
by THX1378
It seems like they could have easily found an Academic to talk about the film, very disappointing that they've been working on this for years and this is the best they could do.
Had Roger Ebert been in better health he would have hands down done a commentary track since he lists this film as one of the turning points in American film.

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:07 pm
by exte
THX1378 wrote:Had Roger Ebert been in better health he would have hands down done a commentary track since he lists this film as one of the turning points in American film.
His original review:
Bonnie and Clyde

Release Date: 1967

Ebert Rating: ****

By Roger Ebert / Sep 25, 1967

"Bonnie and Clyde" is a milestone in the history of American movies, a work of truth and brilliance. It is also pitilessly cruel, filled with sympathy, nauseating, funny, heartbreaking, and astonishingly beautiful. If it does not seem that those words should be strung together, perhaps that is because movies do not very often reflect the full range of human life.

The lives in this case belonged, briefly, to Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker. They were two nobodies who got their pictures in the paper by robbing banks and killing people. They weren't very good at the bank robbery part of it, but they were fairly good at killing people and absolutely first-class at getting their pictures in the paper.

Bonnie was a gum-chewing waitress and Clyde was a two-bit hood out on parole. But from the beginning, they both seemed to have the knack of entertaining people. Bonnie wrote ballads and mailed them in with pictures Clyde took with his Kodak. They seemed to consider themselves public servants, bringing a little sparkle to the poverty and despair of the Dust Bowl during the early Depression years.

"Good afternoon," Clyde would say when they walked into a bank. "This is the Barrow Gang." In a way Bonnie and Clyde were pioneers, consolidating the vein of violence in American history and exploiting it, for the first time in the mass media.

Under Arthur Penn's direction, this is a film aimed squarely and unforgivingly at the time we are living in. It is intended, horrifyingly, as entertainment. And so it will be taken. The kids on dates will go to see this one, just like they went to see "Dirty Dozen" and "Born Losers" and "Hells Angels on Wheels."

But this time, maybe, they'll get more than they counted on. The violence in most American movies is of a curiously bloodless quality. People are shot and they die, but they do not suffer. The murders are something to be gotten over with, so the audience will have its money's worth, the same is true of the sex. Both are like the toy in a Crackerjack box: Worthless, but you feel cheated it it's not there.

In "Bonnie and Clyde," however, real people die. Before they die they suffer, horribly. Before they suffer they laugh, and play checkers, and make love, or try to. These become people we know, and when they die it is not at all pleasant to be in the audience.

When people are shot in "Bonnie and Clyde." they are literally blown to bits. Perhaps that seems shocking. But perhaps at this time, it is useful to be reminded that bullets really do tear skin and bone, and that they don't make nice round little holes like the Swiss cheese effect in Fearless Fosdick.

We are living in a period when newscasts refer casually to "waves" of mass murders, Richard Speck's photograph is sold on posters in Old Town and snipers in Newark pose for Life magazine (perhaps they are busy now getting their ballads to rhyme). Violence takes on an unreal quality. The Barrow Gang reads its press clippings aloud for fun. When C.W. Moss takes the wounded Bonnie and Clyde to his father's home, the old man snorts: "What'd they ever do for you boy? Didn't even get your name in the paper." Is that a funny line, or a tragic one?

The performances throughout are flawless. Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway, in the title roles, surpass anything they have done on the screen before and establish themselves (somewhat to my surprise) as major actors.

Michael J. Pollard, as C.W. Moss, the driver and mechanic for the gang, achieves a mixture of moronic good humor and genuine pathos that is unforgettable. When Bonnie tells him, "We rob banks,'' and asks him to come along, he says nothing. But the expression on his face and the movements of his body create a perfect, delightful moment.

Gene Hackman and Estelle Parsons play Buck and Blanche Barrow, the other members of the gang, as inarticulate, simple, even good - willed. When Buck is reunited with his kid brother, they howl with glee and punch each other to disguise the truth that they have nothing to say. After the gang has shot its way out of a police trap and Buck is mortally wounded, Blanche's high, mindless scream in the getaway car provides, for me, a very adequate vision of hell.

This is pretty clearly the best American film of the year. It is also a landmark. Years from now it is quite possible that "Bonnie and Clyde" will be seen as the definitive film of the 1960s, showing with sadness, humor and unforgiving detail what one society had come to. The fact that the story is set 35 years ago doesn't mean a thing. It had to be set sometime. But it was made now and it's about us.
His Great Movies review:
Bonnie and Clyde

Release Date: 1967

Roger Ebert / Aug 3, 1998

There is a moment in "Bonnie and Clyde'' when Bonnie, frightened and angry, runs away from Clyde through a field of wheat, and as he pursues her, a cloud sweeps across the field and shadows them. Seen in a high, wide-angle shot, it is one of those moments of serendipity given to few movies. Today the cloud could be generated by computers; on the day the scene was filmed in Texas, it was a perfectly timed accident of nature.

The cloud carries foreboding; Bonnie and Clyde are doomed, and uneasily realize it. Not long after that scene, Bonnie has a final reunion with her mother. By then Bonnie Parker (Faye Dunaway) and Clyde Barrow (Warren Beatty) are famous outlaws, celebrated in the press as populist bank robbers in an America gripped by the Depression. Bonnie speaks wistfully of marrying Clyde and moving in next door to her mother. "You live within a mile of me, honey, and you'll be dead,'' her mother flatly pronounces.

They would indeed die, in a hail of bullets that permanently changed the way the movies depicted violence. But their lives provided a template that would be used time and again in later films; as the ads put it, "They're young ... they're in love ... and they kill people.'' From "Bonnie and Clyde'' descended "Badlands,'' "Days of Heaven,'' "Thelma & Louise,'' "Drugstore Cowboy,'' "Natural Born Killers'' and countless other movies in which ordinary people were transformed by sudden violence into legend.

"Bonnie and Clyde,'' made in 1967, was called "the first modern American film'' by critic Patrick Goldstein, in an essay on its 30th anniversary. Certainly it felt like that at the time. The movie opened like a slap in the face. American filmgoers had never seen anything like it. In tone and freedom it descended from the French new wave, particularly Francois Truffaut's own film about doomed lovers, "Jules and Jim.'' Indeed, it was Truffaut who first embraced the original screenplay by David Newman and Robert Benton, and called it to the attention of Warren Beatty, who was determined to produce it.

The legend of the film's production has become almost as famous as its heroes. Stories are told about how Beatty knelt at the feet of studio boss Jack Warner, begging for the right to make the film. How Warner saw the original cut and hated it. How the movie premiered at the Montreal film festival, and was roasted by Bosley Crowther of the New York Times. How Warner Bros. determined to dump it in a chain of Texas drive-ins, and how Beatty implored the studio to give it a chance.

How it opened and quickly closed in the autumn of 1967, panned by the critics, receiving only one ecstatic opening-day newspaper review. (Modesty be damned: It was my own, calling it "a milestone in the history of American movies, a work of truth and brilliance'' and predicting "years from now it is quite possible that `Bonnie and Clyde' will be seen as the definitive film of the 1960s.'')

The movie closed, but would not go away. The soundtrack, bluegrass by Flatt and Scruggs, went to the top of the charts. Theodora Van Runkle's berets and maxiskirts for Dunaway started a global fashion craze. Newsweek critic Joseph Morgenstern famously wrote that his original negative review had been mistaken. The movie reopened, went on to become one of Warner Bros.' biggest hits and won 10 nominations (with Oscars for supporting actress Estelle Parsons and cinematographer Burnett Guffey).

But that is only the success story. More important was the impact the film had on the American movie industry. Beatty's willingness to play a violent character with sexual dysfunction was unusual for a traditional 1960s leading man. In a famous Esquire profile by Rex Reed, which appeared as the movie was opening, he was dismissed as a has-been pretty boy. "Bonnie and Clyde'' put him permanently on the Hollywood map.

Beatty and director Arthur Penn cast the movie mostly with unknown stage actors--so successfully that all the major players (Dunaway, Parsons, Gene Hackman, Michael J. Pollard, Gene Wilder) became stars on the basis of this film. Behind the camera, the movie launched the careers not only of Van Runkle, but also of editor Dede Allen (a New Yorker breaking into a closed shop) and production designer Dean Tavoularis, who went on to work on Francis Ford Coppola's "The Godfather'' and "Apocalypse Now.'' And the cinematography of Guffey launched a whole new wave of its own, of films shot and edited in the more impressionistic French style.

Arthur Penn came fresh to the project after a resounding failure ("Mickey One,'' a self-conscious but intriguing art film) also made with Beatty. His later credits included "Night Moves,'' "Alice's Restaurant'' and "Little Big Man.'' Co-writer Robert Benton became an important director ("Kramer vs. Kramer,'' "Places in the Heart''). It's as if that one film sent all those careers cascading down to the present day.

It was a film in which all of the unlikely pieces were assembled at the right time. And more than anything else, it was a masterpiece of tone, in which the actors and filmmakers were all in sync as they moved the material back and forth between comedy and tragedy.

The opening scenes are lighthearted, starting with Clyde's bravado after Bonnie catches him trying to steal her mother's car. She senses in him, instantly, the means of her escape from a boring west Texas town. What he essentially supplies--for her, for the hero-worshipping gang member C.W. Moss (Pollard) and for the hungry newspaper readers -- is the possibility of glamour in lives of drab poverty. "We're the Barrow Gang,'' Clyde says, introducing them at the beginning of a bank robbery so they'll be sure to get credit. And one of the movie's great moments comes as Clyde lends his gun to a dispossessed black sharecropper so he could shoot at a bank's foreclosure sign.

If Clyde offers glamour, Bonnie offers publicity. She writes "The Ballad of Bonnie and Clyde'' and sends it to a newspaper, and she poses for photos holding a machinegun and a cigar. Clyde's brother Buck (Hackman) is more level-headed, more concerned with bank jobs than newspaper headlines. He comes attached to Blanche (Parsons), whose whiny complaints get on Bonnie's nerves (when agents surround one of their hideouts, she runs screaming across the lawn, still holding the spatula she was using to cook supper).

Penn directs the film as a series of set-pieces, which remain in the memory, focused and clear. The Okie camp where homeless farmers, tractored off their lands by the banks, hunch over campfires. Bonnie's sad, overcast, foggy family reunion. The bank robbery that goes all wrong when C.W. stupidly parks the getaway car. The way laughter turns blindingly to violence, as when a stickup ends with a meat cleaver and a sack of flour, or when a getaway ends with a bullet in a bank man's face. The run-in with a state trooper (Denver Pyle) who is made to pose with Bonnie and Clyde, and then unwisely released. The scene where C.W., a gas station attendant, leaves his job and runs off with the gang that's just robbed him. The scene where C.W.'s father effortlessly browbeats his wimpy son for getting a tattoo. And then the slow-motion ballet of the final execution.

Today, the freshness of "Bonnie and Clyde'' has been absorbed in countless other films, and it's hard to see how fresh and original it felt in 1967 -- just as the impact of "Citizen Kane,'' in 1941, may not be obvious to those raised in the shadow of its influence.

When I saw it, I had been a film critic for less than six months, and it was the first masterpiece I had seen on the job. I felt an exhilaration beyond describing. I did not suspect how long it would be between such experiences, but at least I learned that they were possible.

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:38 am
by Jeff
Here is Bosley Crowther's famously boneheaded review from the New York Times. It ostensibly ended his career.

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:48 pm
by Nadsat

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:07 pm
by Belmondo
Nadsat wrote:Artwork at DVD Active
Artwork looks great to me.
But, look closely at Clyde firing the pistol - the hammer is back in the "cocked" position, yet the gun is being fired.
No matter; I'll keep drooling over Bonnie.

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:20 pm
by domino harvey
Holy Christ, wtf are they planning to market this movie as with that cover
and Warner Bros tends to get these things right too [-(

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:17 am
by Antoine Doinel
Indeed, that artwork is terrible. They might as well just slap a sticker on it that says "It's like the Natural Born Killers of the '60s!" and get it over with.

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:06 am
by Cold Bishop
The first one looks like the True Romance cover, and the second like a co-ed In Cold Blood. The HD/Bluray is nice, but I can't be bothered with the format.

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:18 am
by domino harvey
Antoine Doinel wrote:Indeed, that artwork is terrible. They might as well just slap a sticker on it that says "It's like the Natural Born Killers of the '60s!" and get it over with.
lol this was more or less my exact thoughts.
"It's an old movie but like totally hep guys, look at that smoke!"

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:11 pm
by patrick
Wow, what a misstep on those covers...I definitely see the True Romance/Natural Born Killers "vibe", but I also feel like the art on the Ultimate edition is WB trying to do a Criterion-style cover but bungling it by focusing on the most obvious elements possible. Either way it's ugly and unnecessary. I hope WB isn't treading into more of this shit, I really dislike the cover of the Omega Man high-def releases.

...And while I know I bitch about cover art more than any reasonable person should, when you're selling people on an "Ultimate Collector's Edition" packaging literally is everything. The high-def releases look nice, but I'm also not really that impressed by a tiny book the size of a CD jewel case.

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:34 pm
by domino harvey
Beaver
I thought this film was 1.66 but I could be remembering wrong, does anyone still have the old disc to double-check?

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:51 pm
by kaujot

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:24 pm
by Belmondo
I am very satisfied with this new two-disc edition, and the picture looks great.
I mentioned earlier that I would have preferred a commentary track, but, the documentary on disc two includes virtually everyone involved in the movie and it gave me all the background and all the anecdotes I needed.
And, even though everyone is much older, it is great to see their faces again. Maybe it is better to do it this way. The recent two-disc release of "The Hustler" had a commentary track featuring half a dozen participants and it never managed to come together in a coherent fashion in the way the bonus doc on this one does.

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:11 pm
by domino harvey
Oh man, I just got the regular 2-disc edition in the mail and the packaging looks even stupider than I'd imagined: those bullet holes are die cut out of the slipcover to look like real bullet holes. #-o

Bonnie and Clyde (Arthur Penn 1967)

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:16 pm
by aox
I was hoping to get some discussion of this film and wanted to know if you thought it still held up 40 years later.

I first saw it in a film class in undergrad. The class was about the history and development of Hollywood film. Each week, the professor selected one film for each subsequent decade (he began in the 10s and ended in the 90s) that he felt was the most important film released; not subjectively, or objectively (if there can be such a thing), the best film, but a film that changed the industry and was relevant for its time. My professor selected this film for the 1960s. I instantly fell in love with it despite never really warming to Penn's style afterward.

His reasons for his selection are numerous, and among the plethora of accolades he gave it were it's ushering in the new-studio era that would last throughout the 1970s and arguably end with Heavens Gate in the mid-80s. The film helped encourage the studios to take more chances; this in turn would allow younger directors a chance to make studio films. Sex and violence was depicted with more realism in mainstream film and B&C is one of the pivotal films of the 1960s that identified with the hippie movement (anti-establishment) in terms of celebrating the anti-hero. Whether or not any of that is true, I still think it is a good film.

Aesthetically, I like the cloudiness of the cinematography, and I think the acting is competent. Beatty and Dunaway are just so attractive and it is a joy to watch them for two hours.

What are your thoughts on this film, and the importance of the film to the medium itself? or perhaps how the film's reputation has entered Hollywood myth and needs to be taken down a peg.

Re: Bonnie & Clyde SE

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:06 pm
by Haggai
I've always loved this movie. The overall dramatic approach is definitely of its time, in the particular way it treats the young outlaws as fighting back against the older/"square" authority figures, but I think it holds up really well overall.

My understanding of its major influence is that it came along at a particular moment when a whole bunch of significant developments were happening simultaneously. Certain things about the old studio system, like having star actors under contract, had been dead for quite a few years by that point, but Bonnie and Clyde also came along right as the production code was finally giving way to the ratings system, which allowed for more explicit things onscreen. Some of the violence in this movie is probably as intense as anything that had been seen in any major Hollywood production since the pre-code days of Scarface, or the brief time at the beginning of the code period when some anti-gangster films like G-Men were able to show a lot of violence as well.

The particular way Bonnie and Clyde became a big hit in the US also seems to be part of its influence. At first, it barely made a ripple and looked like it would be a flop, but after it became a huge success in England, it came back on the radar screen in America and suddenly became a sensation. Studio bosses and production chiefs already felt confused about what was or wasn't working with audiences at the time, so the bounceback of this violently anti-establishment movie must have been even more confusing for them. So partly as a result of the general trend of different types of movies becoming breakout hits, there was an influx of young production talent suddenly able to break in to the business, which had been much harder to do just a few years before. The studios needed to find people who could make these offbeat films that audiences were going for all of a sudden.

Surely it would be overstating things to credit Bonnie and Clyde as the sole driving force behind all of that, but it does seem to have had as much of an impact as any other movie in accelerating major changes to the Hollywood business at that time.

Re: Bonnie & Clyde SE

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:05 pm
by Sloper
Haggai wrote:The overall dramatic approach is definitely of its time, in the particular way it treats the young outlaws as fighting back against the older/"square" authority figures, but I think it holds up really well overall.
The depiction of the authority figures - especially Hamer and C.W.'s father - is single-mindedly negative and bitter, and I suppose this does seem a little naive, though also quite effective dramatically. I love that chilling little scene near the end where Hamer visits Blanche.

But one of the best things about the film, I think, is that it isn't mindlessly positive in the way it depicts the central couple. At the time, I'm sure audiences were more struck by the film's unabashed celebration of these people who were effectively thieves and murderers, but whereas the 'comeuppance' visited on villainous movie gangsters like Scarface or Cody Jarrett felt perfunctory and disingenuous, in Bonnie and Clyde you get two (or more) genuinely nuanced, ambiguous, screwed up characters - the ambiguity isn't just there to make the story more acceptable to the censors, and this isn't simply an 'anti-establishment' film. I see it as being all about people who want to make something of their lives, to do something important and memorable rather than just drown in mediocrity - but the tragedy is that they remain, throughout, ordinary, mediocre, inept human beings whose idealised vision of themselves is several miles away from the sordid reality.

Maybe my favourite moment is when Buck first arrives and he and Clyde have that excruciatingly awkward scene together, where neither of them quite knows what to say, and they're both trying much too hard to get excited over the great time they're going to have together. So many little moments like that: another one is Bonnie posing with the cigar in her mouth, then choking on it and glancing at it in disgust. Every time they manage to do something glorious, it's immediately brought crashing back down to earth. The pattern is set from the beginning, where they drive off to the sounds of that now-iconic banjo music, but have to stop abruptly when it turns out that, as Bonnie puts it, Clyde's 'dandy' advertising hides the fact that he has nothing to sell. The scenes where Clyde's impotence is revealed are really well handled, I think - there's one bedroom scene in particular where close-ups are used brilliantly to show the couple's embarrassment and mortification.
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And even after Clyde has managed to get it up with Bonnie, their last intimate scene together is that crushingly sad one where she asks him what he'd do differently if he could turn back the clock, and rather than picturing some idyllic, romantic life for the two of them, he just outlines an alternative plan for a crime spree. And then, of course, at the end, those birds flutter off and the two lovers smile at each other - it's the perfect goodbye - and then we see their bodies torn apart by machine-gun fire. The final shot, through the shattered window pane of the car, showing Hamer and his men looking dispassionately at the out-of-frame bodies, is deliberately drab and anti-climactic.
When I first saw this as a teenager I was used to gritty, grimy '70s fare, and I thought Bonnie and Clyde was a bit lightweight. Now I can't imagine why - it's actually a very tragic, compassionate but unsentimental film about failure. And in that respect, much more effective than, say, Dog Day Afternoon, and not much less depressing.