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Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:25 pm
by PimpPanda
The Death of Maria Malibran is on Ubu Web, I believe. I've only seen Nuit de Chien, which I thought was horrible.

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:40 am
by zedz
I've only seen a few of his films (and not any of the key early ones) and found them shapeless and shambling - except for Love's Debris, which is just sublime: opera singers talk about their experiences of romantic love and sing the songs that embody that experience. There are scenes in there of men talking about the most emotionally intimate matters that are like nothing I've seen in any other film.

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:37 am
by Nothing
I thought Nuit de Chien was very good. Somewhat reminiscent of Brecht. The mis-en-scene a little mundane perhaps, but good script/performance/set design in any case.

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:16 am
by PimpPanda
I thought that the script was probably the worst part of it all, and in that perspective I can only really see the film as Brecht without any intelligence. It's hardly dressed up eurotrash.

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:13 pm
by Nothing
What was trashy about it? Not really following you.

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:29 pm
by PimpPanda
The kids showering, the "animalistic" sex scene, the sexual humaliation, and the interactions of the male prostitute, which was excessively immature and crude.

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:09 am
by Nothing
so sex = trash? (not that there was any sex in the clothed showering scene)

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:21 pm
by PimpPanda
No, not at all, it's just how it was done. I don't know how anyone could deny that everything revolving around the male prositute was exceptionally crude.

The movie did have a couple of great set pieces, and the glib reflections on death do work on some levels. I think the only way that a person could defend the script, dialogue, or character is by calling it operatic, but if anything, this is terrible opera. The girl repeatedly asking, "Why didn't you let that boy with us?" made me want to bash my head into the seat in front of me. Why would our protagonist arrive with a giant smile on his face when he just lost a major battle (correct me if I'm wrong here, I've tried to wipe this film out of my memory), and completely understands the apocalyptic predicament the city is in. :-k The original concept was pretty awesome too...

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:08 pm
by Zillertal
atalanta filmes in Portugal just released Deux and Rosenkönig both with english subtitles.

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:03 pm
by stereo
can you provide any purchase links for these DVDs?
thanks

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:19 am
by Nothing
PimpPanda wrote:The girl repeatedly asking, "Why didn't you let that boy with us?" made me want to bash my head into the seat in front of me.
She says this once or twice. What's the problem with it? Similarly, accusing the lead actor of smiling at the beginning (he was smiling?) seems like nit-picking to me.

I guess you could see the film as glib / crude... Films dealing honestly with human impermanence and bestiality do seem to get defined in such terms quite often.

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:39 pm
by PimpPanda
They should be when they only deal with those themes on a shallow level.

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:40 pm
by PaganPoet
Are English subtitles confirmed for the new Portuguese releases of Deux and Rosenkönig? Also, I believe these are Fnac exclusives.

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:17 pm
by Barmy
Dunno. Here's the trailer for his latest.

By the way, "The Kingdom of Naples" is available in Italy (as is "Deux"), but I assume both are unsubtitled.

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:44 pm
by PaganPoet
I'm still hoping for a DVD release of "Malina."

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:38 am
by yoshimori
PaganPoet wrote:I'm still hoping for a DVD release of "Malina."
How about a blu-ray with English subtitles?

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:59 pm
by rockysds
Do you know if there are any differences between the release you linked to and the cheaper digibook, besides packaging and price?

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:38 am
by yoshimori
None that I know of. Others?

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:30 pm
by yrazor
To my knowledge there is no difference either - aside from packaging. The digipack represents part 4 of a 'masterpieces in HD'-series.

Next up is the English subtitled release of 'Der Bomberpilot' and 'Nel Regno di Napoli'.

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Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:41 pm
by yrazor
Besides 'Der Bomberpilot' and 'Nel Regno di Napoli' there will be a second DVD-Release by 'Edition Filmmuseum' combining the Schroeter Films 'Willow Springs' and 'Tag der Idioten'.

Both releases will feature english - and possibly french and italian subtitles.

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:49 pm
by TMDaines
Does anyone know what language Malina was shown in at Cannes in 1991? In what language is it usually shown when subtitled for non-French or German speakers?

I cannot find a good resource for this sort of information.

Re: Werner Schroeter

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:26 pm
by knives
For the second half of your question, at least in the US, it seems to be German most commonly.