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arsonfilms · #301 Post by **arsonfilms** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:12 pm

I would be thrilled to see more Pialat as well, but I'd kill for a collection of Orson Welles' short works, TV pieces, unfinished films and documentaries (Late Welles, anyone?). There just isn't a lot of his later (major?) work that's available at all in Region 1, and he's done plenty of smaller (minor)pieces that'd I'd really get a kick out of seeing.

Cinephrenic · #302 Post by **Cinephrenic** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:33 pm

I want to see a Orson Welles/Shakespearse set of Othello, Macbeth, and Merchant of Venice from Criterion.

blowout · #303 Post by **blowout** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:47 pm

Cinephrenic wrote:I want to see a Orson Welles/Shakespearse set of Othello, Macbeth, and Merchant of Venice from Criterion.

Keep a room for the milestone Campanadas a medianoche.

arsonfilms · #304 Post by **arsonfilms** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:25 am

jkl wrote:
Cinephrenic wrote:I want to see a Orson Welles/Shakespearse set of Othello, Macbeth, and Merchant of Venice from Criterion.
Keep a room for the milestone Campanadas a medianoche.

Add Filming Othello, and we've got ourselves a five-piece set!

Steven H · #305 Post by **Steven H** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:18 am

How about an Ichikawa Kon and Miyagawa Kazuo (Rashomon and Floating Weeds cinematographer, therefore one of the greatest that ever lived) box set? Sure it's a long shot, but what a lineup of films: Enjo (Conflagration, 1958), Kagi (The Key, 1959), Bonchi (1960), Ototo (Younger Brother, 1960), Hakai (The Outcast, 1962), Dokonjo monogatari - zeni no odori (The Money Dance, 1963... I haven't seen this one, but hopefully soon), and excluding Tokyo Olympiad which is already released. Some of the most beautifully shot films by one of Japan's most strikingly stylist directors. Also, you get the three best films Ichikawa Raizo ever made (that I've seen, at least), and plenty of Nakadai and Nakamura Genjuro.

I'm sure everyone will cry "foul" if something like this gets out before Naruse/Mizoguchi/etc, but for down the road, it seems like a good idea. Frankly I'm just glad there's a company, or sub company whatever you call it, out there that would give hope that something like this could even exist.

sevenarts · #306 Post by **sevenarts** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:03 am

JabbaTheSlut wrote:Only 3 Pialat films with English subtitles are in release at the moment. A pity. In my opinion he is one of the greatest French directors of all time, in the same league as Renoir, Vigo and Truffaut. I truly hope CC has plans to release more Pialat after A nos amours.

I agree. I've now seen all three of the aforementioned English-subbed Pialats, and they're all stunning and masterful films -- especially A Nos Amours. I'd be very eager to see a couple more of his films hit Criterion, and just throwing five or so in an Eclipse box would be great as well.

#307 Post by **zedz** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:16 am

Subbuteo wrote:Zedz - House of the Woods has been my favourite of Pialat, a devastating piece of cinema. Nice to know someone else has seen it.

Even though in many respects it's like nothing else he did, in others it's like the intersection of all his other works, looking back at L'enfance nue while anticipating Van Gogh. Those last twenty minutes are unbearably wrenching, yet exquisite, and the matter-of-fact appearance of Michel before his mother in the chicken coop - a genuinely startling intrusion of the fantastic into a film which for six hours is doggedly, thrillingly down-to-earth - is just hair-raising. This is one masterpiece where it might be Eclipse or nothing, in terms of an English-subbed release.

Subbuteo · #308 Post by **Subbuteo** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:58 am

zedz wrote: This is one masterpiece where it might be Eclipse or nothing, in terms of an English-subbed release.

Sadly you are probably right...that was a fine summation Zedz - spot on and yes, a masterpiece.

blowout · #309 Post by **blowout** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:45 am

arsonfilms wrote:
jkl wrote:
Cinephrenic wrote:I want to see a Orson Welles/Shakespearse set of Othello, Macbeth, and Merchant of Venice from Criterion.
Keep a room for the milestone Campanadas a medianoche.
Add Filming Othello, and we've got ourselves a five-piece set!

A sort of "Orson Welles and TV" box set (include the Sketch book, The Orson Welles' Magic Show, In the land of Don Quixote, The Fountain of Youth, Portrait of Gina or Viva l'Italia, Filming The Trial & Filming Othello among others) would be great.

EDIT:

arsonfilms wrote:I would be thrilled to see more Pialat as well, but I'd kill for a collection of Orson Welles' short works, TV pieces, unfinished films and documentaries (Late Welles, anyone?). There just isn't a lot of his later (major?) work that's available at all in Region 1, and he's done plenty of smaller (minor)pieces that'd I'd really get a kick out of seeing.

oh, didnt see that #-o

NABOB OF NOWHERE · Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:34 pm

Given all this chat about Late/ Early/ Punctual??? Ozu boxes is there any
remaining coherent and available Bergman collection that would rank as Late / or any other nomenclature of your choice ???

There's Dreams /Faro Document/ Devil's Eye/ All these women/ The Rite
available from TARTAN in the big old box (and hopefully a full Criterion of Sawdust and Tinsel) but do any of these make sense collected under the Eclipse ethos/ rubric???

sevenarts · #311 Post by **sevenarts** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:24 pm

NABOB OF NOWHERE wrote:Given all this chat about Late/ Early/ Punctual??? Ozu boxes is there any
remaining coherent and available Bergman collection that would rank as Late / or any other nomenclature of your choice ???

There's Dreams /Faro Document/ Devil's Eye/ All these women/ The Rite
available from TARTAN in the big old box (and hopefully a full Criterion of Sawdust and Tinsel) but do any of these make sense collected under the Eclipse ethos/ rubric???

Those might be a bit of a random selection. One thing about Eclipse so far, it seems if they're doing big filmmakers with large filmographies, there's going to be some rationale for the grouping, not just Whatever Bergman Films We Feel Like Including. They could do a Late box of After the Rehearsal, From the Life of the Marionettes, The Touch, Faro Dokument, and maybe another 80s TV work. Dreams would go well in a second Early box.

I could also see them at some point doing a box of some of his 90s TV works, though I'm not at all sure how good any of those are supposed to be.

JabbaTheSlut · #312 Post by **JabbaTheSlut** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:48 pm

La Maison des bois (2 discs) - (I just finished struggling through this unsubbed, and it's a stunning work)

Zedz, did the discs have French subtitles?

#313 Post by **zedz** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:23 pm

JabbaTheSlut wrote:
La Maison des bois (2 discs) - (I just finished struggling through this unsubbed, and it's a stunning work)
Zedz, did the discs have French subtitles?

No (that would have been too easy). The Integrale Pialat is maybe the greatest DVD box set ever created, but it has no subs of any kind.

The saving grace was that there were copious chapter divisions for each episode, and each one was straightforwardly titled, so translating them before tackling each episode made it pretty easy to follow the plot.

JabbaTheSlut · #314 Post by **JabbaTheSlut** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:32 pm

Zedz, thanks and damn! Have to enroll to language courses.

ellipsis7 · #315 Post by **ellipsis7** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:27 pm

Just having just seen Antonioni's rarely aired 3 hr docu CHUNG KUO CINA downloaded into Realplayer, a fascinating piece that really ired the Chinese authorities for its perceptive observation, despite the ever presence of official minders supervising the filming (they issued an Eng lanugage pamphlet labelling it 'a vile and despicable plot')... Maybe Eclipse would consider an Antonioni docu boxset - GENTE DEL PO, N.U. URBANA, RAYON, CHUNG KUO CINA, RETURN TO LISCE BIANCA etc.

dadaistnun · #316 Post by **dadaistnun** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:36 pm

Assuming that Jour de fete would get its own separate Criterion release, would there be enough shorts by or starring Tati that would make Parade/Traffic Eclipse set a possibility?

Paupau · #317 Post by **Paupau** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:11 pm

A sort of "Orson Welles and TV" box set (include the Sketch book, The Orson Welles' Magic Show, In the land of Don Quixote, The Fountain of Youth, Portrait of Gina or Viva l'Italia, Filming The Trial & Filming Othello among others) would be great.

Out since last week in Portugal, containing several Welle's TV works.

Paupau · #318 Post by **Paupau** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:11 pm

Paupau wrote:
A sort of "Orson Welles and TV" box set (include the Sketch book, The Orson Welles' Magic Show, In the land of Don Quixote, The Fountain of Youth, Portrait of Gina or Viva l'Italia, Filming The Trial & Filming Othello among others) would be great.
Out since last week in Portugal, containing several Welle's tv works.

Portuguese subtitles only, I'm afraid.

miless · #319 Post by **miless** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:01 pm

Paupau wrote:
Paupau wrote:
A sort of "Orson Welles and TV" box set (include the Sketch book, The Orson Welles' Magic Show, In the land of Don Quixote, The Fountain of Youth, Portrait of Gina or Viva l'Italia, Filming The Trial & Filming Othello among others) would be great.
Out since last week in Portugal, containing several Welle's tv works.
Portuguese subtitles only, I'm afraid.

because Welles was notorious for filming in languages other than English?

justeleblanc · #320 Post by **justeleblanc** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:02 pm

dadaistnun wrote:Assuming that Jour de fete would get its own separate Criterion release, would there be enough shorts by or starring Tati that would make Parade/Traffic Eclipse set a possibility?

I would assume Traffic would get it's own Criterion release -- all the other Hulot films got one.

Welles

I wonder if a Welles/Shakespeare box would make an Eclipse release, or do they deserve a mainline release.

Othello
Filming Othello
Macbeth
Chimes at Midnight
King Lear

toiletduck! · #321 Post by **toiletduck!** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:13 pm

miless wrote:because Welles was notorious for filming in languages other than English?

Good lord, miless, I can hear the Fuck The Deaf thread rumbling already! What hath you wrought?

-Toilet Dcuk

miless · #322 Post by **miless** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:37 am

true, but if you are not (or planning on going) deaf, than not having subtitles in a language you are fluent in from being a sole reason for not buying the disc (on a DVD that is put out for a foreign market, making an argument about ethics, or whatnot, somewhat useless).

If you are deaf... or do not have a multi-region DVD player, than waiting seems to be the only viable option...

oh, and I was just being a bit sarcastamatic, if you couldn't tell.

What A Disgrace · Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:42 am

A box of post-Rififi films by Jules Dassin would be nice.

I'd like to see He Who Must Die in some fasion.

LightBulbFilm · #324 Post by **LightBulbFilm** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:54 am

I'm thinking some Italians... Rossellini... De Sica... Olmi

Derek Estes · #325 Post by **Derek Estes** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:51 am

Elio Petri would be welcome.

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